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 Post subject: Re: You suck Minnesota.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:29 pm  
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Akiina wrote:
Wait, perhaps I misread-- but I thought the point wasn't about the parents wanting to help their children, but the children growing up taking the free money from their parents and then being dicks to other people who also took handouts?

That was the point I was making, yeah.


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 Post subject: Re: You suck Minnesota.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:58 pm  
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Mind explaining to me why the government would need to give money to the destitute if private charities and donations made sure that everyone had a roof over their head and three squares a day?


I don't agree that private charity can get the job done, but I don't believe the purpose of government handouts is to aid the destitute nor to win votes, but because it keeps the status quo under control.

Bread and circuses at its finest.


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 Post subject: Re: You suck Minnesota.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:25 pm  
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That's not true. The federal welfare and entitlement systems will always exist but they might not need to exist to such a degree.

Mind explaining to me why the government would need to give money to the destitute if private charities and donations made sure that everyone had a roof over their head and three squares a day?


because charities dont run for office.


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 Post subject: Re: You suck Minnesota.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:58 pm  
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A quick look at history disproves the 'charities will take care of everything' mindset, and this 'welfare is just pandering for votes' is equally ludicrous. You're suggesting that while everyone else would jump at the chance to help those less-fortunate, it's impossible for a politician to want to do the same, and instead they've decided to support welfare based solely on trying to 'buy' votes from the demographic least likely to vote. We're not all republicans, some politicians actually want to do good and not just fuck over the country for the almighty dollar.


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 Post subject: Re: You suck Minnesota.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:22 pm  
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you're right dvergar, because the poor have gotten significantly better off every time the democrats are in power.

nothing changes because there's no difference between the right and the left.

news flash.


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 Post subject: Re: You suck Minnesota.
PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:15 pm  
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Dvergar wrote:
A quick look at history disproves the 'charities will take care of everything' mindset, and this 'welfare is just pandering for votes' is equally ludicrous. You're suggesting that while everyone else would jump at the chance to help those less-fortunate, it's impossible for a politician to want to do the same, and instead they've decided to support welfare based solely on trying to 'buy' votes from the demographic least likely to vote. We're not all republicans, some politicians actually want to do good and not just fuck over the country for the almighty dollar.


Or maybe they can't see the forest for the trees.

They are too mired in business as usual to undertake original and unsolicited legislation aimed at really changing things for the better.

Politicians are human too, and that's the essence of the human condition. It is, in the final analysis, why the world sucks and the status quo nearly always wins.


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