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Corn oil with your cock out.

Now I'm confused.

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I was always pretty left-leaning, even before I cared enough about politics. I jsut didn't know it was left-leaning, it was always simply "common sense." I never watched the news, didn't know what was happening in the world outside the one I created for myself. In fact, I can't remember a single issue on the news before 9/11 - anyone remember the guy who was caught in some scandal sometime in Aug 2001 until September and then BAM 9/11 happens and everyone obviously forgets? Who the hell was that guy!

Anyway, I digress. I didn't call myself a democrat until about 11th grade when I took molecular biology and learned of stem cell research. Then I found out about these loonies, who called themselves "republicans", that opposed stem cell research for exactly no reason (a bad reason isn't a reason in my book). Then it was all downhill from there - abortion, welfare, taxes, war, "patriotism", all that jazz. I seemed to disagree with republicans on just about everything that seemed so plain and simple to me. But, as a high school student, I had more important things to worry about. It wouldn't be until 2008, my first election that I could vote in, that I would rekindle an interest in politics and finally start to learn about the issues facing this nation (if for no other reason than that current events is always a hot topic in med school interviews!).

And now here I am, a fairly staunch liberal on any social issues while remaining more mildly liberal on fiscal issues.

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I'm confused every time he says "See sig", because every time it has 0 to do with nihilism.

Sounds like a copout to me whenever the pan gets hot.

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I didn't get it either. I actually googled the word thinking there was another lesser known meaning that was pertinent.

There isn't.

To practice nihilism is to deny the possibility of discovering absolute truth.

In this context, the denial of absolute truth is your attempt to characterize "left" versus "right" as "apples versus oranges", by way of your claim that anyone who doesn't entertain both leanings is wanting. This is a form of nihilism.

Implied in your premise that the two general leanings are "apples versus oranges" - that the merits of either viewpoint are equal - is the refusal to consider that one viewpoint is fundamentally correct and the other is not.

It is a copout because you have already decided which viewpoint is correct for you - the right-wing pov - but rather than defend that position on its own merits, you cop out of doing so by denying that any given position can be rationally analyzed and found to be correct.

Like most copouts, this claim is made in the service of your own hypocrisy, because you yourself have an opinion, and you wouldn't have it if you didn't believe it to be of greater value than other opinions. However, as Tuhl and I would agree, your opinion is simply wrong, because we both believe that there is an absolute truth that can be known through rational analysis and deep introspection, and it conflicts with what you would prefer to be true.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Is it just me, or is that some convoluted shit?

I'm still not sure how, looking at the definitions of nihilism, what it has to do with anything.

Put more simply:

Usd identifies as right wing.

His basis for denying the "objectivity" of the left-leaning is that they claim to be objective yet refuse to consider his position as equally valid. In reality, his views are simply wrong, and have been considered and rejected by those people.

Hence, to cop out of that rejection, he denies that any viewpoint can be objectively determined to be incorrect. In reality, of course, it is possible to determine that some ideas are correct and some ideas are incorrect - the opposite of nihilism - which is why those who claim to be "objective" in rejecting the viewpoint are not being hypocritical.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

How can you not understand what Aestu is trying to say. I don't like the guy but some of you are so dense sheesh.

brb for the journey part

In high school is when I really started to develop a political identity. During that time I was hanging with a pretty politically active group that consisted of a few skins and punks. Their idea of fighting the establishment and having total liberty was something I embraced when I was younger, but I still held myself to a different set of morals and values, and it was those morals and values which kept me apart from that crowd. For instance, I've never agreed with abortion as a form of birth control (since I feel like that is ducking responsibility) but they were fine with it. I didn't agree with going out and drinking and using drugs as a kid (because of the illegality and lack of interest), but they did. I never agreed with stealing from others (since I'm not entitled to the results of someone's work), but they were cool with it. I never believed in hurting people unnecessarily, but they wouldn't hesitate to pick a fight with the rednecks, jocks or wannabe gangstas. I grew to hate them and their ways so I stopped talking to them because I wanted to be better than them.

I'm sure some of you remember reading stories about my parents and their youth, and how the early parts of my life were spent in my parents company, hitch-hiking across the country, sleeping in corn fields and on beaches, and begging for food. They've worked two jobs and lived paycheck-to-paycheck nearly all their lives, starting at their ages of twelve, and knowing how they worked at a young age to help their families, I started doing the same. When I was thirteen and fourteen I started mowing lawns and shoveling drive ways so I could provide for myself; clothes, toys, games, skateboards, etc. When I was fifteen I started working at the Commissary as a bag boy making only tips. That job is the one I carried through high school and it afforded me a couple used vehicles, money to pay my bills, buy my gas, my lunch money and my clothes. My parents noticed my efforts and my father told me (on my 16th birthday) that he saw me as a man and would treat me like one as long as I continued acting like a man; paying my bills, holding a job, doing well in my studies, etc. That was a defining moment in my life because I looked up to my father and he looked on me as an equal. They also taught me everything they knew about managing, investing and building what little money they had. My family and our experiences imparted an important lesson on me; money and possessions are earned and nothing is free. For these reasons, I've always believed in fiscal conservatism, living within our means, buying only what we can afford and being charitable with our time and money when we can. Also, since I've been working for over half my life, I don't appreciate people who didn't work as hard (or haven't worked at all like some collegiate progressives) thinking they're entitled to any hardworking persons money.

Socially, I have no one turning point in my beliefs. They're just things that I've developed over the years after meeting some pretty shitty people that lack responsibility, drive and the will to be anything other than worthless. I've tried to distance myself from most of the people I don't agree with (minus half the retards on this forum) but I'm always meeting new people (normally progressives) who want to lower the bar so everyone can be included and that disgusts me. Only the strong survive, mah friends.

Holy shit Rathmoon, I love you let's scissor.

edit1: Eturnal, that was a cool story bro. (seriously)

I agree with you about the 'continually lowering the bar'. Food stamps, Public Housing, Medicaid..fine. I can deal with that. Those are necessities to survival, but fuck things like supplemental income which can be used for any purpose. Like cash assistance. Are you shitting me? Free $ just for being poor. Grats. That must be a very fulfilling life you lead.

In b4 threadjack..in b4 split posts..in b4 bitching about excessive moderation.

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So when I throw a jab at someone who is supposed to be on the'open minded' side of the aisle for being closed minded' that triggers all that aestu verbal diarrhea? Ok.

I used to hate abortion. Now im ok with it.

I used to hate gay marriage. Now im ok with it.

I used to be cool with the wars in the middle east. Now im sick of them and want way too different of an entire sequence of events to bother typing it on a phone.

Who's closed minded?

Aestu it was a joke at someone being 'open minded' but in the same breath saying 'im not ever gonna change ever!' Im sorry you can't get jokes with your head so far up your own ass but at least you had some corn oil left over to make that insertion easier, right?

Couldn't have said that better myself.

Could have said it a little faster though.