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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 5:24 pm  
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Meowth wrote:
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Azelma you've always been a terrible worthless poster and player just don't type thanks.









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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:00 am  
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in regards to the title..

a fine example of why to vote based on an individual and your own researched opinion on them, rather than going along with what you're told simply because people (or a party) is telling you what's good for you and your neighbor.


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:37 am  
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Azelma wrote:
If I didn't criticize myself after my interactions with our dear friend Mazeltov and <Twisted> and the fall-out that ensued then I wouldn't be who I am today (seriously).


Have you really grown or changed? I don't think so.

Most people go through life and ultimately become middle-aged or old, but really change very little. They like to talk about their experiences, but for most people, they shape their perceptions of their experiences, not the other way around.

I would say that you are much more similar to yourself two or five or ten years ago than I am. I am very arrogant in the here and now, but behind that arrogance is the self-knowledge of the adversity, evolution and growth that has brought my worldview to this point - and the knowledge that most people simply do not evolve at all.

A lot of that evolution is internal, the product of self-reflection and private meditation. I am who I am, but my views and attitudes have, over any given period of time, probably changed more than anyone who posts on these boards.

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I also think it's foolish to assume that my opinion is always the right opinion.


Hypocrisy. If you did not believe your opinion was correct you would not harbor the opinion.

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I value being challenged by others, and so I enjoy associating with people who will challenge me (perhaps that's what made me even attempt to socialize with you outside of these forums). I have a romantic view of society and the world in general. This might be a weakness, but I like to see the best in people. But......


You say that because it lets you hold an unjustifiably high opinion of yourself, but none of it is true.

Neither in or out of game nor within or without of your person do you seek challenge. And seeing what you want to see is not a weakness of character, it is the result of weakness of character.

If you want to hold a high opinion of yourself you have to put your money where your mouth is...you have to spill blood...I have paid that price and you have not. That is the difference between us.

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I ended a long high school friendship in college because he cheated on his fiance (who I was also friends with) and I had knowledge of it. I then was confronted by the fiance and evaluated my principals. I knew it would end the friendship, and so I told her the truth. I ended that friendship because I despise cheaters.


Superficial. The bias against "cheating" is popular, contemporary, irrational and hypocritical.

A matter of principle is always unpopular.

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This is not my belief. I believe you are flawed because you ignore your short-comings outright and prefer to focus on (and overstate) your strengths. You said it yourself...someone who recognizes or tries to improve upon their weaknesses is "in a state of self-doubt and internal paralysis". Do I come across as someone in this state to you?


Yes.

You fear difficult thoughts and you are afraid to ask difficult questions about how things are and why you do what you do. You stick to positive interpretations and contemporary values because you are too scared to invent your own. Again, the ironic relevance of Mazeltov's observation.

One of the things I mentioned in my "How To Lead Pugs" guide is the connection between self-image and in-game performance - how many of the most ineffectual players are people who, although they may have "lives" in the conventional sense, are people with no internal drive.

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...I am quite moderate, and quite "neutral." You know those political tests you take where it plots you on the political spectrum for your fiscal views and your social views?

I took one a few months ago and landed basically right in the middle (leaning slightly left). It was kind of hilarious. Perhaps that does make me an uninteresting poster on these forums when it comes to intense debates...but I can only be myself.

Having liquid viewpoints about a variety of issues does not mean I have no principals though, and it does not mean that I don't have a center of gravity. I most certainly do.


That's exactly what it means.

Do you really believe that truth is dead in the middle of the rhetorical dartboard?

No? Then why do you lay there? Coincidence? Or is there perhaps a reason why?

Azelma wrote:
Yes, capitalize on your strengths...we should all do this. However, your steadfast refusal to work to improve upon your weaknesses is your fatal flaw.


If you believe this, you do not know me well.

Azelma wrote:
Having difficulty in relationships is not a fatal flaw. Refusing to work on your flaws, and overstating your strengths IS though. Read any Greek tragedy...


One of the defining elements of Greek tragedy is that no character ever overcomes his flaws.

The corollary is that it's not necessary. "Overcoming flaws" is a euphemism for "irrational vanity".

Azelma wrote:
It's hubris that is your fatal flaw, Aestu. I'm sure if you lived back then you'd have at least one play written about you. It wouldn't end well.


You do not know me well.

Would you care to guess who my favorite Greek hero is, and which of his is my favorite scene?


Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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It SHOULD be that Orpheus(sp?) guy with the harp that tried to get his girlfriend out of the underworld but then, because he didn't listen to valuable input from others who knew better, he ended up losing her forever.


Imma go ahead and guess you went with Odysseus because he's more brilliant than everyone anywhere and you think you are too.


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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Usdk wrote:
Imma go ahead and guess you went with Odysseus because he's more brilliant than everyone anywhere and you think you are too.

He's also very full of himself. And has good reason to be.

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..Polyphemus cried out,
"No-One is killing me by some sort of trick!"

The adventurers hastened to the sea to make froth with their oars,
When they were just offshore but still within earshot,
Odysseus called out to the Cyclops - just to rub it in:

"So, Polyphemus, it turns out it wasn't a coward
Whose men you murdered and ate in your cave,
Fool! You got your just reward in the end,
You had the gall to eat my men in your own home, and you paid for it."

The Cyclops got even angrier when he heard this.
He broke off the tip of a mountain and hurled it towards our ship.
It landed just off the prow. The sea billowed up where the rock came down.
And the wave pushed them back to the mainland, like a flood tide.
The crew leaned on the oars and strove to get the ship out of there.
When they were twice as far out to sea as before, Odysseus called out to the Cyclops again,
Even though his men hung all over the man, begged him not to:

"Don't do it, man! The rock that hit the water pushed us in,
We thought we were done for. If he hears any sound from us,
He'll heave half a cliff at us and crush the ships and our skulls,
With but one throw. He can do it, you know."

They tried, but could not persuade him - he was really angry,
His heart was set. Odysseus called back to the Cyclops again:

"Polyphemus, if anyone, any mortal man
Asks you how your eye got put out,
Tell them it was not 'No-One' who did it,
But I, Odysseus the maurader,
Son of Laertes, who makes his home on Ithaca!"

The Cyclops issued a fearsome groan, and said this in response:

"...This puny, good-for-nothing runt, has put my eye out by way of a trick..."

Stretching out his arms, he prayed to starry heaven,

"Hear me, Poseidon, lord of the seas,
If you are the father you claim to be,
Grant that Odysseus, son of Laertes,
May never return to his home on Ithaca.
But should he be fated to see his family again,
And return to his home and native land,
May he come late, having lost all his friends,
In a ship not his own, and find trouble at home."

Polyphemus then broke off an even larger chunk of rock,
Pivoted, and threw it with incredible force,
Barely missing the rudder.
They were propelled forward...


I don't kid myself as to my own nature. Neither did Odysseus.

Fortune favors the bold.


Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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Not if you're achilles it doesn't.


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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Usdk wrote:
Not if you're achilles it doesn't.


Because he got shot in the foot by a coward? Death comes for everyone, it's just a question of when and where. The alternative would be moping in his tent and that would be an abject waste (not to mention it cost him the life of his best friend).


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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Aestu wrote:
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..Polyphemus cried out,
"No-One is killing me by some sort of trick!"
...
Tell them it was not 'No-One' who did it,




::snerk::


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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who the fuck is mazeltov anyway


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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careful, your time spent on bleeding hollow is showing.


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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He's the guy who always made the RM threads worth reading :P
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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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In 10th grade I did a video project for The Odyssey. Was a ton of fun wish I knew where I put the video because it was amazing at the time.


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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Usdk wrote:
careful, your time spent on bleeding hollow is showing.


Please, I've been on BH since Nov '05 when I started playing WoW. Then again, I was (and am) horde, so I don't know many of the alliance


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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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Mazeltov is basically Aestu without the long-winded semi-nonsensical rambling and mental illness, and he did indeed make for much RM drama.

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 Post subject: Re: No one approves of the GOP either Also, Aestu is a MF ge
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I'm the best around.


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