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Here's your hero actually making sense.

The Tea Party continues to associate itself with radical/impractical viewpoints which will cause it to never be taken totally seriously, and will inevitably kill the movement altogether.

I guess my point is that crazies liking the Tea Party makes sense because the "movement" has a lot of "crazy" in it.

To somehow insinuate that Breivik and the Tea Party share some link is about equivalent to intellectual diarrhea.

Brawlsack

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Agreed.

I'm just saying a few crazy people happen to like the Tea Party, which is interesting. Having watched the Bill O'reilly discussion of it....I think the Tea Party is viewed as being "out of touch"/"too radical" in general....so it's unsurprising that radicals would enjoy the message of the tea party.

I don't mean to imply that Breivik was doing anything out of loyalty to the tea party or because Sarah Palin hates muslims or whatever. Not at all.

Like lower taxes, smaller government and national sovereignty? While you may hate the tea party (yet somehow like Ron Paul, the 'Father of the Tea Party', and some of his positions), they believe in things that you believe in. Like all groups, the loudest voices get the spotlight, but that doesn't mean the whole movement is somehow 'crazy' or 'self-destructive'. What does it matter if a few crazy people like the Tea Party? There are plenty of crazy people that don't like the Tea Party, ya know. Also, I should point out that crazies play World of Warcraft (and other games). They can also live in Chicago (or anywhere, I suppose), support Obama (or anyone else, really), belong to any faith (or lack of), listen to any type music, come from any country and of any race, speak any language and may (or may not) like certain breakfast foods.


As of yesterday, it's been reported that Boehner and Reid have agreed to a two-part deal which will temp. increase the debt ceiling while they continue to find ways to find savings. Obama isn't interested in that plan since he's looking for two things: 1) Blank Check and 2) Higher taxes. Although the two houses have come to a bipartisan consensus, the President was threatening to veto anything with that framework, essentially playing partisan politics and holding the debt rating in the balance. If the House and Senate are capable of drafting something and the President Veto's it, the failure to help the debt ceiling would rest squarely on his shoulders.

I haven't read any updates to this, tho, since I was in the city all day and away from the news.

All true.

I guess I'm just agreeing with what Bill O'Reilly was saying about the Tea Party risking it's future by having too many radicals representing it. A majority of the American public doesn't take kindly to radical.

It's disappointing to hear your regurgitate the party line so thoroughly.

Dvergar /
Quisling

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I think part of the problem is that people speak in these 'veiled tones' because of political correctness. It really does more to empower the crazies than it does to separate them from the rest of society. If our society didn't condone and reward tossing charges of racism/sexism/homophobism at people who are making honest observations, people would speak frankly, and we'd be able to tell the nutters from normal people who just see one thing or a few small issues wrong relating to certain groups. Since everyone has to walk on fucking eggshells and sound like they're just trying not say they hate brown people (or w/e), it makes it harder to distinguish the true crazies from people who really do want to help, but feel like that have to speak some uncomfortable truths to do it.

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Jubber

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Right, the reason we have crazy xenophobics and hate speech is because civilized people understand that painting all people with the same brush is moronic and small minded, and rightly ostracize those who would do it.

It's our fault when someone who shares your beliefs goes crazy and shoots people. Never mind the race baiting, the fear mongering. What really causes people to flip out and shoot other people is the fear of being labeled a racist.

Do you read the shit you post? "People are only racist because they can't say racist shit, and that's totally your fault".

Dvergar /
Quisling

I hate everyoen equally.

Care to tell me where, and how, I'm wrong? Like I said, I'm working on day old news but I'd love for you to enlighten me.


I have a feeling it's more of you not reading and understanding what he writes... but I'm sure you'll tell us all differently.

crazy is crazy, just like the guy who happened to be liberal and shot the congresswoman in the head recently.

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Jubber

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Well, if you want to apply Aestu logic to it, that's probably right. However, when people say things like, "it would be wise for immigrants to learn English, because it helps them to integrate into society and achieve success," which is not a radical point of view, and those people are called 'racists' or 'xenophobes,' it takes the sting away when the words are used to describe actual racists and xenophobes.



I remember this bit from quite a few times in the past. Some guy shows up someplace and kills a bunch of people, and right off the bat, he's a "right-wing <insert pseudo-epithet here>, like the crazy who shot Congresswoman Giffords...who upon examination turned out, based on his deranged scribblings, to hold left-wing political ideals. It's sad that so many people are pining for another Timothy McVeigh, but while it's nice that you guys FINALLY got someone who can be legitimately labeled a conservative (based on his deranged scribblings) to use for the guilt by association gambit for which the Giffords fall-out showed us you were itching, you can't say he shares my beliefs, because one of the beliefs that I hold is that shooting people who disagree with you politically isn't right.
I sincerely doubt anyone who has so little regard for not just the opinion but the very well-being of his fellow man would care about being called a racist...or anything else for that matter. He's not what I'm addressing anyway. The muzzle on honest, legitimate debate that the strictures of political correctness imposes blurs the lines between people with legitimate but controversial concerns/opinions and people like this shooter who honestly hate people because they're different, and thereby give cover to the latter at the expense of the former.



I do read the shit I post, but I'd love a glance at a hard copy of all the horseshit you're reading into it that isn't there.

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Jubber

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AKA "ROFeraL"

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No, and this is why they can't enter the political mainstream even enough to fuck up the GOP as much as Perot did back in 1992, or as much as Nader did the Dems back in 2000.



All the guillible people are already voting Republican.



"Radical" is relative. What we consider bipartisan moderate in this country is considered batshit insane far right in most civilized countries.



Boehner tried to play chicken with the biggest stakes imaginable, so Obama wants to square this issue away so this doesn't turn into the Clinton years all over again with deadlock (remember federal govt shutdown?) every two weeks for eight years. Now Boehner doesn't want to get beaten at his own game.

So, who's playing pass-the-ball now?

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