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http://news.yahoo.com/california-dream-act-approved-illegal-immigrants-013617230.html

Why do people continually try to make citizens pay for illegals(don't care about the private funds, but they're talking about getting public funds too) to get stuff that should be reserved for citizens,

when instead they could be trying to streamline the immigration process and make it easier to become a citizen?

I think that every citizen, whether your ancestors were on the mayflower or if you just got your citizenship yesterday, deserve the same rights here. Making the immigration process easier would beat out this "dream act" in all particulars AND affect more than just California.

I can tell you based on a great deal of firsthand experience the real issue is Latino racism and greed.

The "La Raza" party at San Francisco State had a slogan. "La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada." If you don't know what that means look it up.

These people have worked very hard to entrench themselves in the educational bureaucracy so they can cut themselves and their clique checks off public funds.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

A state legislature doesn't have the authority to change federal immigration law.

Dvergar /
Quisling

They're not trying to. That's the problem.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I totally agree, though I can sympathize, they're tackling the wrong issue and come off as people just looking to get theirs.

It's easy to become American when you're rich and white. I'm proof of that.

It's not so smooth when you're neither.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Meh, I know of more legal immigrants that aren't both rich and white than I know that are rich and white. Of the few I've talked immigration with, they said it wasn't always an easy road but well worth it. Guess it's a matter of perspective; empowerment versus entitlement.

Anybody moving into another culture should assimilate into that culture. Be at least proficient in the language and aware of general laws and history. Anything beyond or less than that is pretty much asinine. If I were to move to Canada, and let's assume Canada really only spoke French, I'd learn French and Canada's basic history. It is silly though, as well, to expect someone to learn everything before even coming over, but isn't that what visas are for?

The only logical reason behind making assimilation unnecessary and granting benefits and amnesty to illegal immigrants is political gain. Whether it's in the form of votes from the people you're granting benefits to, or the 'look at how not racist I am' PR spiel.

We could have open borders, and labor and markets could meet without being restricted by national lines. But we can't have that and grant benefits for these people. That's nothing short of insane. People will, and have, come in such high concentrations that large places are becoming full of people who still only speak Spanish. I'm not opposed to Chinatown, as long as they speak English and follow American law too. Not to mention that it's also fiscally a terrible idea. This country has 10 people, 7 pay taxes, 3 receive assistance. But then 5 more people show up, and now 8 people pay taxes, but 4 more receive assistance. You see where this is going.

Speaking of La Raza, I don't like the group one bit. I have a feeling we may end up with a IRA like deal happening sometime. But instead of Irish wanting English out of Northern Ireland, we're going to have Mexicans wanting Americans out of what they consider Northern Mexico. Which is essentially what the the southern borders are becoming. Some people find danger in people kind of forming a tribal clique to benefit them and really only them, based on race or origins or whatever. I don't have a problem with people helping other people and excluding other people, that's freedom of association. But when other people try using their association to force something from the people they exclude, is when I have a problem, and La Raza is basically that.

You can't assimilate into a "culture" as heterogeneous as the USA's. For starters, we're built on a mishmash and no single thing defines us as a people. Compare a typical Vermont resident to a Utah mormon. A Seattle urbanite to someone from Louisiana. Someone from the Village in Manhattan to someone from Jamaica Center in Queens.

"American" is too many things for any single person.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

We are a mishmash, but we share a similar thread that is uniquely American in our cultural clothes.

That thread should be sewn into any immigrants clothing.

Delicious metaphors.

Go on then... what is it? In the melting pot that is America, please tell me what you think it is that connects us all aside from the fact that we live and love the same country.

Just wondering is all, because I've tried to single out something and have yet been able to.

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-Common language
-Meritocracy
-Rule of law
-Social libertarianism
-Equality of opportunity

Those are ideals that people in Vermont and Utah both share. They share a common language, a belief that the best man should win, that they are entitled to protection under the law and the right to by and large do as they please.

If nothing else they agree to share the same country and play by the same set of rules.

Expecting immigrants to "assimilate" in the sense they must learn what is the lingua franca of this country and accept that they compete against members of other racial and ethnic groups on a "play the ball as it lays" basis is nothing more than common sense.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Aestu essentially said what I was going to say, except with the added part of meritocracy.

The reason people come here, and people already here stay here, can generally summed up in 'freedom, democracy and opportunity'.

To nit pick my own words though, 'uniquely American' is incorrect, as many values held by Americans are held by other nations.

Teddy Roosevelt everybody!

"Hyphenated Americanism"

Excellent.

My mom made a similar point of "Why do we call it ONE NATION" when as soon as you get here we lable you as X-American?