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 Post subject: kek
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:31 pm  
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.“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America 's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can not pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

-- Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Not sure how this is an lol at only Obama. It should be an lol at all politicians.

Certainly he identified the issue years ago. His quote is absolutely true...we are trying to shift everything onto the backs of our children.

From my understanding he really doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling and wants to fix the issues now, but no one is playing ball (including him...but he is just rejecting the Republican plans).

What am I missing here?


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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He sure has a purty mouth. Too bad he can't back anything he says up.
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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Monotheist wrote:
He sure has a purty mouth. Too bad he can't back anything he says up.


Like all politicians.

I'm not defending Obama...but you all are blaming him for an issue that a large portion of washington is having a hand in.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Azelma wrote:
From my understanding he really doesn't want to raise the debt ceiling and wants to fix the issues now, but no one is playing ball (including him...but he is just rejecting the Republican plans).

Not sure what gave you that indication. Any plans that involved no raise, or a temporary raise, has come under fire by Obama - even threatens of vetos. If he were serious about what he said in 2006, he wouldn't have face-fucked the national debt as hard as he has and he would give serious consideration to ANY and ALL plans presented by the Republican party since they're all VERY reluctant about raising the debt ceiling and very serious about cutting spending.
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 Post subject: Re: kek
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are people honestly surprised that every politician is full of shit and nothing they say is worth anything?
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 Post subject: Re: kek
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:09 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
an lol


Weirdo


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Meowth wrote:
Azelma wrote:
an lol


Grammatically sound Weirdo


Fix't.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Azelma wrote:
Meowth wrote:
Azelma wrote:
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Grammatically sound Weirdo


Fix't.


Who says "ell oh ell"? Weirdo's and radio/tv people do. Next you'll tell me people say "arr oh eff ell" instead of pronouncing rofl.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Meowth wrote:
Azelma wrote:
Meowth wrote:
Azelma wrote:
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Grammatically sound Weirdo


Fix't.


Who says "ell oh ell"?


Who says internet acronyms (right -nym?) irl?


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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I do.

Except 'irl', because it's pronunciation sounds like I'm talking about viking kings or that show about the mustache guy and the karma.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:31 pm  
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Meowth wrote:
Azelma wrote:
Meowth wrote:
Azelma wrote:
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Grammatically sound Weirdo


Fix't.


Who says "ell oh ell"? Weirdo's and radio/tv people do. Next you'll tell me people say "arr oh eff ell" instead of pronouncing rofl.


So your contention is that saying ROFL like "roffle" is cooler than saying it "arr oh eff ell"

My contention is that both ways are equally nerdy.

"poh tay toh" / "poh tah toh"




In any case, LOL is listed as an abbreviation of letters in the dictionary. As such, it would normally be read (by a non internet subculture aficionado such as yourself) as "ell oh ell"


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Obama grasps what is common sense, which is that although it is not possible to close the deficit nor pay off the debt in the here and now, because of commitments and choices that have already been made and cannot be changed (such as pensions, interest, tax cuts and the Iraq War), a consensus must emerge to begin passing budgets that are in the right direction.

The top one percent and wealthy corporations own the overwhelming majority of this country and have never been doing better. Nor have they ever had less tax responsibility. Meanwhile, the middle class has been drained dry and the lower class has no recourse either.

It is clear who should be doing more for this country.

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For example, while most people think the Pentagon war appropriations are equivalent to the wars’ budgetary costs, the true numbers are twice that, and the full economic cost of the wars much larger yet. Conservatively estimated, the war bills already paid and obligated to be paid are $3.2 trillion in constant dollars. A more reasonable estimate puts the number at nearly $4 trillion.


Then you throw in tax breaks which cost about US$2-3T (and have not succeeded in bringing up employment to even European levels, meaning they've failed 100% except enriching the richest). And the assorted other misfortunes and catastrophes big and small since the Clinton years (the BP disaster, the destruction of New Orleans, and, of course, the depression).

Debt is US$16T. When the war began, it was US$7T.

If we hadn't gone to war, and hadn't cut those taxes, the deficit would be only $2T more than it was - perhaps even less, if you factor in the civilian opportunity cost of the war (the human and material assets slated for war and not investment).

http://146.142.4.24/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl? ... year2=2004

If not for the war and the tax cuts, the debt would have shrunk in real terms.

...so who deserves blame here?

Oh, and as to Obama. Obama is basically America's Chancellor Valorum. He's a nice, smart, well-intentioned guy trying his hardest with a difficult situation. But he's not what the situation calls for.

Obama was doomed to fail since day one because he plays by the rules. He tries too hard to compromise. What he needed to do was be bold and redefine the terms of the discourse by advancing comprehensive new policies - about the war, about the economy, about healthcare.

That's what Lincoln did. That's what FDR did. That's what Truman did.

Lincoln, Truman and FDR were never afraid to sack military leaders who didn't do what they wanted. They were never afraid to propose a bold and unprecedented new policy because they were worried some people might not like it. Obama may be a smart guy, he may be a good guy, he may even be a truly great man, and he would have been a great president in good times - but he doesn't have what it takes to be a great president.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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All that ignores the fact that any tax on a company is actually a tax on the end-user of whatever good or service that company produces. There's no point in having a graduated/progressive tax system if we're just going to shell-game taxes onto the backs of the people such a system is supposed to help. Since almost everything is made by a business (large or not), that means that we've been effectively taxing everyone the exact same amount for everything from food to hygiene products to clothes to drug to everything else. Taking into account the fact that you don't think the rich "pay their fair share," I would think that it would be better to do away with business/corporate taxes, which would eventually lower the cost of goods and services to the lower and middle class, further graduate the tax code so that there are more brackets, and shift the business/corporate taxes accordingly across all tiers.

Not only would this improve the condition of those in the bottom tax brackets, it would be an incentive for businesses to bring their shit back into this country. There's no point in moving all your stuff off-shore to hide from the tax man when he isn't looking for you anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Jubbergun wrote:
All that ignores the fact that any tax on a company is actually a tax on the end-user of whatever good or service that company produces.


This would be true if profit margins were inelastic. As it happens, though, they aren't.

Jubbergun wrote:
There's no point in having a graduated/progressive tax system if we're just going to shell-game taxes onto the backs of the people such a system is supposed to help.


So, your claim is that taxing wealthy individuals and corporations is more onerous for the middle class than taxing the middle class?


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