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 Post subject: Re: kek
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:31 pm  
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I don't have a "messiah vision" of business, but I'm not afflicted with paranoid antipathy for it, either. Businesses screw up, and when they do, they should suffer for it...not be bailed out, or given special tax breaks, or corporate welfare, or have it mandated that their products must be used. Where businesses are in the wrong, they should be fined, or their officers fined and jailed. You're blaming the fact that such things don't happen on business, when the reason that they don't is cronyism and a failure of government...in which both business and government are complicit. It's not a 'one-or-the-other' argument, because there are things wrong with both the public and private sectors that could be fixed...but won't be so long as it's made into an either-or argument.


Ok, so what's your fix? Lasseiz-faire? Do nothing?



you see, in that quote in which you yourself quoted, you missed something that you probably should have read before making this post.

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Where businesses are in the wrong, they should be fined, or their officers fined and jailed


that's clearly not a do nothing hands off attitude.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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I will never understand this trust in the private sector.


The same reason the lotto is more popular than blackjack.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Usdk wrote:
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Where businesses are in the wrong, they should be fined, or their officers fined and jailed


that's clearly not a do nothing hands off attitude.


For what? You can't put people in jail for breaking laws that don't exist.

When you create laws about what businesses can and cannot do...what's it called?


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 Post subject: Re: kek
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:53 pm  
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Lottery is more accessible thank gambling with blackjack.

PS: It's called regulation. I don't think any of us have ever said there shouldn't be any regulation, so I'm not sure what hair you're attempting to split here...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:16 pm  
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It's a waste of time trying to explain something to someone who obviously doesn't understand what he's reading, especially when he insists on saying up is down, left is right, the sky is red and grass is purple.

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 Post subject: Re: kek
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I think they think that because we identify as more conservative, and the republicans also consider themselves conservative, and the republicans just LOVE big business, that because we're similar then we must also love big business.

However, if we were to say that they dress like they're from the ghetto, and some people from the ghetto who also dress like they're from the ghetto are in gangs, so because they're similar they also must be part of a gang, they would call us uncivilized racist xenophobes.

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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Yuratuhl wrote:
I will never understand this trust in the private sector.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Do you have a degree in economics...?



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Jubbergun wrote:
It's a waste of time trying to explain something to someone who obviously doesn't understand what he's reading, especially when he insists on saying up is down, left is right, the sky is red and grass is purple.

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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Joklem wrote:
You're discriminating against one dimensional colorblind people.


Damn. Still a racist, and now I'm violating the ADA.

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 Post subject: Re: kek
PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:26 pm  
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Meowth wrote:
Aestu wrote:
Yuratuhl wrote:
I will never understand this trust in the private sector.


The same reason the lotto is more popular than blackjack.


But I can win LOADSAMONEY


Meowth (of all people) got the point I was making.

The lotto (or slots, or other RNG based forms of gambling) are more popular than blackjack and other purely skill/probability-based forms of gambling because everyone, in principle, has a chance to be a winnar.

Never mind, of course, that the odds in lotto and slots are horribly skewed against the player. That the pot is only a tiny fraction of the sum of all bets. It is somehow appealing to think that one can be a winnar and take home millions simply by anteing up.

Now, games like blackjack or poker - the game offers the player a fighting chance, and capitalizing on that fighting chance is a much more realistic possibility than striking the lotto jackpot.

But that fighting chance requires two things - it requires intellectual effort, and it requires an acknowledgement of one's own limitations. That kind of courage is beyond most people. So instead they just put down a few bucks on the lotto so they can hold onto that hope that they, too, can strike it rich.

So to answer your question, Tuhl, faith in the free market works the same way.

People who have no chance champion the cause of those rigging the tables because, like the guy chucking away $10 a week on lotto when he'd be better off buying penny stocks or junk bonds, what they're buying into is the mythos of success. That they, too, can be a winnar.

Now you could tell that to the guy buying the lotto ticket - that purely on the basis of probability, his chances of striking a jackpot would be better buying a random penny stock each week in the hope that one might be the next big thing. No matter how you throw it at him, though, he'll keep buying his lotto tickets. It's not a rational thought process.

And by the same token, for people buying into the mythos of lasseiz-faire, no reasoning will overcome the mythos that makes it appealing. It lets them dream that they can be important.

...tabbing back into Fallout: New Vegas...


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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...so...


...people who believe in a market system are essentially bad gamblers who throw their money away on the lottery...


...yet...


...people playing the lottery should be buying into the markets...

Your "logic" reminds me of something, but I can't quite put my finger on it...





This also reminds me of a question I was recently asked:

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Do you read the shit you post?


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 Post subject: Re: kek
PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:30 am  
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Buying a lotto ticket is also a form of gambling and free market activity. It is, after all, your money.

In your take on the analogy, you fixate on the mystique of the market and its potential to enrich, rather than making a rational comparison - and proving my point.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to wax my goatee.


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 Post subject: Re: kek
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My take on the analogy was that only a retard would compare two things and say they're equivalent, then in the next breath say one is better than the other...and I'll add that's it's even more retarded to follow up after this is pointed out by saying you can't even compare the two things because they're not two things, they're the same thing. If your point was that you're irrational and unhinged, then yeah, point proven.

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 Post subject: Re: kek
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Jubbergun wrote:
My take on the analogy was that only a retard would compare two things and say they're equivalent, then in the next breath say one is better than the other...and I'll add that's it's even more retarded to follow up after this is pointed out by saying you can't even compare the two things because they're not two things, they're the same thing. If your point was that you're irrational and unhinged, then yeah, point proven.

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Things aren't black and white and don't have a numeric value to compare their true equivalence as. Analogy: two diseases can be equivalent in death rate and prognosis, and one can be "better than the other". Perhaps aggressiveness or somesuch? (in this analogy, choosing one over the other would be like thinking 'the lesser of two evils' instead of synthesising a new idea.)

That being said, I have no idea what the fuck this is about so I'll be right over there ---->
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