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The US calculates it differently. The US doesn't count long-term unemployed ("no longer looking") as unemployed. The EU does. The difference is about double the figure.



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Is that a rhetorical question?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

What would you have them do?



So you were in diapers during the Carter administration and preschool during Reagan. Your point?



Three years is an eyeblink.

The Iraq War has been going on for almost TEN years now. Germany unified over twenty years ago, and East Germany still lags behind Western Europe.

How long did it take France to recover from the John Law crisis?

He didn't start the Iraq War. He didn't push unaffordable tax cuts. The policies that got us here...were not his fault.



For one thing, Palin is a criminal. Obama isn't.



This dude...named Clinton...

What mistakes? If you mean tax cuts while ramping up military spending and adventures in foreign countries (do you remember Grenada? Contragate? The Gulf War? "Star Wars"?) then no they haven't.



A Chinese worker costs about 1/10th what an American one does, there's no environmental or labor laws, and forced eviction/land theft is legal there.

A few tens of percent difference in taxes/costs isn't nearly as decisive as exponentially lower labor costs and costs of doing business.

Arguing it's taxation is even less logical when you factor in the costs of doing business overseas such as fuel and maintaining a branch office.

Also, in China, all PCs used in that country have to have backdoors for the government, and it's illegal to do business there without setting up a domestic subsidiary (read: hire goldbrickers). The American government is a veritable white knight for business by comparison.

The only real draw for China is dirt cheap labor and no rule of law.

Arguing it's obamacare isn't logical either since what the EU and Japan have is even more radical and they are doing fine.



We also have more deductions and exemptions than any other country.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Stephen Colbert, just now: The only way this bill is two-sided is that the democrats took it in both ends.

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Jubber

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Passing the health care monstrosity was something that shouldn't have happened. It's killed jobs, and every new estimate shows its projected costs as larger than the last estimate. The bailouts/stimulus crap under both Bush and Obama were terrible. The best things Obama could do now would be to streamline and reduce regulation, simplify taxes (removing loopholes in the process would be acceptable), reduce the number of federal employees (including the military), end subsidies, and end foreign aid.



Unlike you, I was out of diapers at the age of four, which is how old I was when Carter was elected. Old enough that by the age of 8 when he was overwhelmingly booted the fuck out of the White House, I was familiar with words like "gas line" and "misery index." I was in high school before Reagan left office. Most people had jobs, taxes were low...hell, idiots like you refer to the 80s as "the decade of greed," that's how fucking great things were. That "ridiculous" military spending destroyed the USSR when they couldn't keep up, ending the Cold War, and provided jobs for everything from ammo manufacturing to ship building. In fact, things were so much better when Reagan was president that his popularity was such that when he ran for re-election, his opponent barely carried his own home state...which was the only state his opponent won.



Not when you only hold the job for four years. Three years is the alarm clock going off through dinner for a presidency.



We're not either Germany, and we're not France. We came out of economic doldrums in the early 80s in a relatively short period of time. The only thing stopping us from doing that now is new entitlements mucking up the works and threats of tax increases. At least there is the possibility that the stress over possible tax increases will be put to rest after the past week.



The policies that kept government agencies from communicating vital information that might have stopped the 9/11 attacks weren't the fault of Bush, either, but three years into his Presidency he wasn't complaining about his predecessor(s).



What is the crime of which Palin has been convicted? Oh, I forgot, you probably can't answer that...





That dude didn't do anything to pay down the deficit.



You mean the tax cuts that increased federal revenues and added "Laffer Curve" to the lexicon of economics. [sarcasm]Wow! Way to prove me wrong![/sarcasm]

Oh, and add another "WRONG" to your tally. The Gulf War occurred during the presidency of George H. W. Bush...and you wonder how we can all think you're just pulling shit out of your ass.



Not every job gets sent to China, if for no other reason than that not everything American business makes involves cheap plastic shit for Wal*Mart, and your "explanation" fails to explain why employees lost through normal attrition aren't being replaced at many businesses.



Ah, yes, Europe. Definitely the picture of fiscal health, no problems at all over there *cough*Greece*cough*Ireland*cough*...excuse me, must be allergies.



Can never just admit that you're just wrong, can you? Is that because your foot keeps getting in the way of your tongue? It's a more charitable explanation than "you're a delusional semi-literate moron who spends the bulk of his time talking out of his ass."

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Jubber

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The debt declined in real terms when Clinton was in office.

Palin was found to have abused her powers as governor to engage in retaliation against an ex-in-law who was a cop. She also took cash to "speak" (as in several hundred thousand dollars for an hour) which was thinly veiled bribery.

The argument that healthcare law destroyed the jobs market makes no sense because...again...what the EU has is more stringent...and while the EU is not utopia, it is more stable and better-off than the US. All countries (including China and the EU) have been having employment difficulties the last few years, so the downturn in employment cannot be causally attributed to an American law.

I learned to read and write at probably a third the age you did and I barely remember the Cold War ending. Age eight means shit, you don't know wtf is going on politically at that age. Dumb argument.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

So in what way is this illegal?



So he doesn't, but you did?



You're right about one thing.

You mean like the Gulf War happened during Reagan's presidency? Yeah, no arguing with "Aestu said it, it must be true," LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.



The cop thing was a civil trial, not a criminal trial, but since this isn't a court of law, you probably don't understand the difference. So if you want to tell me what Palin has been convicted of that makes her a criminal, feel free. Burden of proof on the person making the contention and all that...but we know how you feel about that when the shoe's on your foot.



If you say so, never mind those business owners that are saying they're not hiring due to the uncertainty Obamacare has created. Never mind that "stable" Europe recently went into convulsions trying to clean up after Greece's ridiculous entitlement state to stop it from dragging all that "stability" down the tubes.



Oh, yes, because the rest of us are defined by your limitations, and you're the expert on what people you've never met can and can't do. A compelling argument, until you stop to consider how often you're wrong. At this point, your "I'm smarter than the rest of you" argument would be more convincing if Krizen were the one making it.

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Nobody blamed him for it. Anyone who did is an idiot, just as anyone who blames the current mess on Obama. Seriously, you cannot fix a decade of crap in 3 years. The president REALLY doesn't have a "fix everything right now" button, kids, he really really doesn't!

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Once the surge of patriotism after 9/11 happened, EVERYONE on the other side blamed bush and the CIA for not acting on the information they may or may not have had at the time. It was pretty infuriating to be arguing just what you're saying back when that shit was going on. But then I was in college with a bunch of Aestus, so maybe i'm biased.

I realize that, and it's understandable, but part of "the deal" with American politics, for good or ill, is "if it happens on your watch you own it." A few "if the last guy hadn't..." during the first few months is understandable, but when you're this far into your presidency, blaming someone else shows a lack of leadership...it's the opposite of "the buck stops here."

Your Pal,
Jubber

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AKA "ROFeraL"

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Of course you're not going to turn the ship around in 3 years.

But he doesn't want to turn the helm, or in some cases, wants to turn the helm the wrong way.











If nothing else, I enjoy the metaphors that stem from political discussion.

It's hard to pilot when there's a chain labeled "Republicans" holding the steering wheel in place.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
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Republicans have been, and still are, in the minority when it comes to control of the government, during Obama's term.

So it's a thin rope at best.

To be fair though, if McCain was president, a whole lot of them would be pining to turn that wheel exactly the same way as Obama wants to, just for different and equally misguided reasons.

Not to mention the two years his party had majority enough in both houses to pass whatever the fuck they wanted. Maybe if they'd looked at fiscal issues earlier instead of having spent time "fixing" health care, this would be a non-issue. Kind of hard to do that, though, when your party refuses to write a budget.

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Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

"Filibuster"

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.