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To me, it seems driven by serious social problems ignored too long - and this is a harbinger of things to come, not only in England, but the world at large. Yes, these kids are thugs who just want bling, but they are part of something bigger - the social errors that created them in the first place.

So far as England goes, it seems to be progress of a sort, as opposed to the staidness of the last thousand years. We never saw this sort of thing in Charles Dickens' time or when the French were raiding the Bastille.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Was there a soccer game on?

I'm glad you brought this up....these are strange times when it comes to the world's youth. I don't think it's something as simple as violence in video games...but I feel like our society is becoming disconnected...and shockingly violent.

Consider how America too is having to deal with "Flash Mobs" (and no I'm not talking about the dancing kind)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/us/25mobs.html

Flash Mobs have become a problem in philadelphia. Groups of teens who utilize facebook/twitter to coordinate attacks on business/citizens. If 50 kids run into a store all at once and start looting and smashing things...it's quite difficult to catch every one of them.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 28354.html

These same flash mobs are issues in Chicago as well. I watched a news story where a man with a black eye was discussing how a group of teens ran down Michigan Avenue...decked people at random and stole from them.

Even at Lollapalooza (a large concert held in Chicago) this weekend these mobs were an issue. Groups of as many as 150-200 teens launched coordinated assaults (again with the aid of the web) on the festival gates to try to get in.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011 ... ity-guards

It's certainly a troubling pattern around the world.

I kinda think Rupert Murdoch is to blame. See, in 2008, he climbed to the top of a mountain and spoke with a lion head shaped cloud which foretold of the collapse of his media empire, starting with News of the World. Murdoch, displeased with the clouds prophecy, ordered his legion of devoted shadow-walking Ninja Assassins to infiltrate England and set the stage for a riot while ensuring any witnesses to his trial could be silenced. The Assassins did just that. As the Assassins secretly masked their identities as the police, they murdered innocent members of the public and caused more unrest, just to create pressure.

When the News of the World scandal broke, Murdoch flew to England... not to support his editors but to convene with the Illuminati. The Illuminati bestowed upon him the Summon Materia: Global Calamity! Murdoch met with the lead Assassin, Gartholan Narwaggahal, informing him that Operation: Jewey Fingers would soon commence. Gartholan, understanding the message, walked the streets of England for weeks until the Global Calamity Summon was completed. In hiding, Murdoch sat in front of his 180" Plasma and watched Fox News while drinking mana potion after mana potion. Murdoch was pleased with the Summon the Illuminati gave to him; in short time it brought the decline of the worlds economic super-powers! He thought to himself that he would be safe from peoples thoughts with all the decline but a Netherworldly demon spawn flew through his castle window and perched itself upon Murdoch's golden demon-perch. The demon told Murdoch that the Leftist brain is far from forgiving and he suggested that Murdoch enact Operation: Jewey Fingers.

Murdoch, realizing the Leftist brain hasn't quite moved on from the Bush era, understood that the only way he can remove himself from the leftist brains is to replace it with things the leftists would embrace! First, Murdoch removed all moisture from the South and gave them ultra-high heats and a drought, knowing the suffering of Southerners would satisfy the Left. Secondly, Murdoch ordered Gartholan to act on Operation: Jewey Fingers knowing Leftists love fighting the power... so Gartholan killed a family man, then ordered his legion of Ninja Assassins to stage a riot. Murdoch, still wary of his memory in the leftists mind, rose from his diamond-clad throne of dead babies and prepared to unleash his final attack...

Suffering in the South... Civil Unrest... The only ingredient missing from the Leftist cocktail was the death of American Soldiers. Without hesitation, Murdoch went to his closet and grabbed his magic sword made from unobtanium. Then he looked somewhere over that way (-->) and used this:



Then a Helicopter went down in Northern Afghanistan, killing many Seal Team 6 members. With all the suffering fresh in the Leftists brains, Rupert Murdoch was able to give a sigh of relief. He knows the Leftists have a limited capacity and all he had to do was fill it with things that would fill their minds with joy!

PS: There's no evidence that Murdoch was behind that Viking bro killing all those kids on that island...

Not sure why you chose to turn a discussion about violence/mob mentalities that are plaguing various cities into a troll about people who hate Rupert Murdoch...but okay.

flash mobs are vastly overrated in their seriousness. we had one here allegedly, when it was just a bunch of hoodrats hanging out in a downtown park, and some fucking drama professor tried to walk through the crowd, a fight broke out between two groups and he got pushed to the ground.

naturally he raised a big stink and the media jumped on it.

regardless of whether or not you think flash mobs are real and serious, they are nothing compared to the riots in england, the middle east, or really any other problems facing the world today.

I think flash mobs are merely rioting in its infantile stages, and they are clearly a problem.

There will be rioting in America.

Count on it.

Flash mobs, in the sense of a bunch of angry young black hoods mobbing stores and just running off with stuff, have been a problem for years. I remember seeing videos of it long before the Internet was a big deal.

Then again perhaps it's a testament to enduring bigotry in our society that we think it's somehow new when the perpetrators aren't necessarily black, or the internet is involved.

I think "flash mobs" and this youth violence have the common element that they are the product of large disaffected segments of society that simply feel they have nothing to lose, and that they don't owe law, order and property rights any respect because they see society as fundamentally unfair and unjust.

We are seeing elements of society assume the same mentality as ghetto blacks because they find themselves in the same condition.

I think about it a lot and I think really the problem is two things -

1. excessively high productivity bringing down the amount of employment it takes to keep society running, in the process stratifying wealth in the technocracy, and causing mass unemployment
2. a lack of social structures and common bonds - there is a void in people's lives that used to be filled by religion, ritual, or ethnic culture

My reason for so believing is asking myself - what would these people do if they weren't rioting? What would stop them from rioting? What previously prevented them from rioting? Answer: employment and social structure.

I think the solution is to fundamentally restructure society. Either cap wage-hours and impose minimum wage laws, or introduce some sort of welfare system that includes culture-based busywork such as painting murals and making handcrafts. On the social end, I think we need cultural institutions such as ancestor worship and mass gaming - by that I mean everything from ballparks to to skate parks to coliseums, to keep people off the streets and encourage social ties that will serve to restrain people's base impulses.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

when you build something like a park where people can go to "stay off the streets" they bring their crimes to the park.

its not that they have nothing to do, its that they prefer to be hood.

preferring one thing to another is a culture problem, though.

It's harder to be a criminal in a park. What's the worst you can do, rob the guy operating an ice cream stand?

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
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one of the towns they looted was my town. Just 10min walk down the street.
Didn't know about the riots till I walked down the street the next day,
broken store windows, shelves inside shops missing all their goods...

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drug trade.

The #1 cause of drug use is boredom.
The #2 cause is lack of identity/self-respect.

Building parks and creating jobs will therefore do more to reduce drug use than any other action we could take. This is also why I believe drug use should be decriminalized, but drug dealing should carry an automatic sentence of crucifixion.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Truth. Can also be a mix of both.

In any case, I agree that more programs need to exist to encourage community involvement. However, I think a lot of the issue also lies with parents. Too many young people are allowed to run wild all day because their parents don't have a clue, or more than likely don't give a shit.

You didn't read the letter I sent to Tuhl.

Potentially good kids with bad parents act out their Grand Theft Auto fantasies.
Potentially really, really good kids with really, really bad parents act out their Civilization III fantasies.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.