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I have pawns.

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I own several chess sets, so I do too!

Also half of my kitchen belongs to my faction, so I guess they're my pawns as well, in a less literal sense.

I was more referring to people that do whatever I tell them to!

Okay so you don't watch the news, do you get your information from the news paper? Magazines? All written by biased people so your "I'm right, your wrong." doesn't really hold up.

Also lumping an entire organization into one category because of the few that get caught doing something bad is pretty moronic especially for someone who prides themselves on being intelligent.

How is it that a cop that is enforcing the laws not doing anything to help just because they aren't mentoring? Or running some program? The cop that arrests the cocaine dealer, or the one that prevents a murder or robbery etc those aren't worthwhile? And talk about powertrip? Seriously? If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is.

Since I don't know you I'll give you the benefit of the doubt maybe there is lots the forum doesn't know about you. So where does your firsthand experience come from? You hang out with crooked cops? Do you tail cops and watch what they do?

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I feel like there was a story about Aestu getting jailed for a couple nights. I wish I knew the whole story and the reasons (from both sides) because I bet it'd be a good one, but we'll only get one side and I'm sure it'll be biased as hell.

So do you think there are good Taliban? Tobacco company executives? Mafia?



Motives are the measure of a man. Who watches the watchers?



The other day I was taking garbage out of my own apartment and went around the building under some tape surrounding a totally halted tree cutting job (no equipment was present either), that was also completely blocking the way to the dumpster behind the apartment. After I come out, cop walks up and harangues me for 30 minutes about how he was "about to push me out of the way" and "everyone else here is obeying the laws", then made a big show of radioing in to see if I had any outstanding warrants, "you're stopped, you can't move. You mad?"

Yeah, obviously he really thinks I'm wanted on felony charges somewhere because I'm taking out my garbage out of my own apartment. Really. Or maybe he's just a punk.

So I asked the guy's name and badge number, saying I was going to report him for harassment and abuse of authority. He gave his name and made a big show of flashing his badge. When he saw me actually pull out a PDA and type all this down he got visibly nervous and said, "never mind my name, you just need my badge number" (he gave an Italian name despite being Hispanic). I then took a picture of the entire scene (this punk then insisted on striking a tough-guy pose in the picture, probably to carry on his childish little act but also to show he wasn't nervous about what I was doing).

So then after wasting half an hour of my time for absolutely no reason other than to power trip, I went through the motions of calling up Internal Affairs. I don't need a crystal ball to know nothing will come of it. The cops protect their own more vigilantly than the public.

It's a typical experience and I've had many such others.

I don't generally read the domestic news - it actually didn't occur to me that this is one topic where I am influenced by it - but I have read news stories where cops are very obviously guilty of serious crimes but get off because of the organization. Now, saying that the news "portrays cops in a bad light" could only be relevant if those stories aren't true or representative of the whole. Which they are. If you believe otherwise, then show me good evidence - where the cops turn on their own when misdeeds are suspected.

Certainly, it's consistent with my own experience on this and similar occasions, so, yeah, whatever.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

lol - How many of us actually believe a cop harassed you for thirty minutes? So you did something stupid (by crossing a caution tape that cordoned off an area) and a cop approached you for it and, for good measure, made sure you didn't have any warrants. You then got his information and called the cops to report a cop for being a cop by doing what cops do. Fucking brilliant.


Why are you asking for proof that cops will turn on their own? You're not giving any proof other than some one-sided story as anecdotal evidence to your position. (See Jubber's sig)

FWIW, I have a German last name but I've got more Italian in me than anything else... because it's totally relevant to your story and all.

Not understanding the connection between taking trash out of my own home and walking through tape. Around a halted tree cutting, and having a criminal history.

So whatt are you defining as the role of cops - harassing random people? By defending the indefensible you're just showing it is you who is biased beyond reason.

Again, you talk about freedom but you don't seem to have a problem when its others freedom. Just yours.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Taking the trash out is a non-issue. Walking through the cordoned off area (whether or not there is active cutting) is stupid. Servicemen put that tape up for your safety and to protect themselves. You're supposed to stay out because when you cross that tape you're a potential liability. Would you drive your car down a blocked, cordoned off road? Would you go romping through an older building that is cordoned off? Would you go running through some police tape if the police sectioned off part of the park for a murder investigation?

Cops should just protect the public and enforce laws. You weren't being safe by walking inside of some caution tape around a tree cutting operation. The cop stops YOU for that, not some random schmuck on the side of the road - he stopped the guy that wasn't being safe. (I guess he harassed you for 30 minutes for you being stupid?) He then checks to see if you have a warrant... I'm not sure how that's a violation of your freedom or rights.

If I had to guess what probably happened (what you're saying is the abuse of power and harassment) it would be this: The cop stopped you for being stupid. You then proceeded to Aestu him, telling him how he's a coward, how you pay his salary, how he's abusing his power, how you know his job better than he does, how you're allowed to walk wherever you want whenever you want, how you think he's a cop because he likes to bully people, how you're innocent and you're just minding your business, how you're going to report him for doing his job... and more. Because you're a dick by nature, he probably ran your information just to make sure you're not a dick with a warrant. He probably sent you on your way and you ran back to your apartment with tears in eyes to file a complaint in a child-like fit of rage. At some point you convinced yourself you're the victim, that you were being completely safe and that he (and all other cops) are out to get you.

So you just do whatever you're told regardless of how insanely contrary to common sense it is? The guys in charge can NEVER be wrong or susceptible to small human flaws like the desire to abuse power?

Also, reading this article you linked:



So in other words, the cops did exactly what I described, which was cower in a marginally dangerous situation rather than do their job and get it under control.

They were 1:1 or better against the rioters, who were just a bunch of angry kids, not to mention they have guns, armor and radios, and they couldn't get it under control...because like all bullies, they are cowards...when the odds are (nearly) even they tuck tail between legs.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

No. I didn't say that... but don't act like you were acting on common sense.

Common sense would tell people, "There is Caution tape blocking a tree cutting operation and I shouldn't cross the tape. I'll just wait to take my trash out." If your common sense told you something differently, I'd take it back to the store and ask for a refund because it's clearly fucking broken.

why?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

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So you were somewhere you shouldn't be, the cop did what he was supposed to do, you mouthed off, so he wasted some of your time making sure you weren't a felon.

sounds like you got what was coming to you. ON THE OTHER HAND, had you gone to another dumpster at say another building and NOT crossed that tape, you probably wouldn't have even SEEN the cop.

99% of the time when people see cops either they've done something bad, or something bad has been done to them, so naturally people associate cops with bad shit happening.

If a fireman is saving your life, chances are its very visible. Like carrying your ass out of a burning building visible. If a cop is saving your life, most of the time it'll be very invisible. like arresting some drug dealer or drunk driver who, had he/she been left alone, might have run your ass over or mugged you in a roped off alleyway.

so far your complaints are mountains out of molehills. anymore?

EDIT: after looking at that picture, if you couldn't find the way you're supposed to go he probably stopped you to make sure you weren't escaped from a looney bin. Also here the cops have to be clean shaven, none of that goatee shit.