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Eturnalshift · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:38 pm

Aww, did I make you kids mad?

Mns · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:44 pm

No, we've come to expect you being a walking, talking hypocrite.

Eturnalshift · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:52 pm

How was I being a hypocrite again?

Because you said I didn't have the balls to serve in the military even though I did serve...
or because I was served discharged papers because I didn't like them not upholding their end of the contract...
or because I was given a paycheck for a part-time job to Virginia...
or because I didn't get deployed to Egypt for a peace-keeping mission (despite my volunteering)...
or because I couldn't re-enlist without going through a waiver process (which I was told would be unlikely granted since it'd have to come from the same people that discharged me)...
or because you were wrong about me?

Careful throwing stones from that glass house of yours...

Dvergar · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:01 pm

Usdk wrote:

So if we're going to war for oil, how come the oil prices haven't gone down?

Not gonna get into the rest of this retardation, but this sentence is exceptionally stupid, which is impressive given that it's coming from one of the most consistently ill-informed people on these boards.

If you think this sentence A.) makes sense, and B.) is a legitimate argument for the validity of the war in Iraq, please please never vote. Not that I'm too worried, as I don't think someone who would post a comment like that has the mental capacity to handle a voting machine. At this point I wouldn't trust you with scissors, that comment was just that stupid.

Usdk · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:57 pm

so other than you thinking its stupid, where's the proof we went for oil?

or is this not a court of law?

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:04 pm

Usdk wrote:

so other than you thinking its stupid, where's the proof we went for oil?

or is this not a court of law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationale_ ... e_Iraq_war

Eturnalshift · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:14 pm

Not saying you're wrong, but there's plenty of other reasons on that page explaining why we went to war. Just because you link one doesn't give it more weight than the others.

Usdk · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:14 pm

really? cuz right above that:

Quote:

Tony Blair stated the theory the Iraq invasion was "somehow to do with oil" was a "conspiracy theory"; "Let me first deal with the conspiracy theory that this is somehow to do with oil...The very reason why we are taking the action that we are taking is nothing to do with oil or any of the other conspiracy theories put forward."[100]

Then Australian Prime Minister John Howard has dismissed on multiple occasions the role of oil in the Iraq Invasion: "We didn't go there because of oil and we don't remain there because of oil."[101] In early 2003 John Howard stated, "No criticism is more outrageous than the claim that United States behaviour is driven by a wish to take control of Iraq's oil reserves."[102]

2008 Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain was forced to clarify his comments suggesting the Iraq war involved U.S. reliance on foreign oil. "My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East," McCain said. To clarify his comments, McCain explained that "the word `again' was misconstrued, I want us to remove our dependency on foreign oil for national security reasons, and that's all I mean."[103]

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:30 pm

For oil? Well, what else is there in Iraq? The stated reasons - terrorism and WMDs have bee proven bogus.

Oil was the driving force, in that it is what makes Iraq worth our attention. But I don't think that's why we invaded - I think it was war by consensus, for many reasons:

-Israeli pressure
-Neocons who wanted to prove a point
-Greedy contractors
-Cheney was still butthurt about the Gulf War and being put down by Powell and Schwartzkopf
-Jimboism and injured national pride after the Twin Towers was a catalyst for a bad decision

Re. Usd: saying doesn't make it so. Also see: Tonkin Gulf Resolution

Dvergar · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:33 pm

Usdk wrote:

really? cuz right above that:

Quote:

Tony Blair stated the theory the Iraq invasion was "somehow to do with oil" was a "conspiracy theory"; "Let me first deal with the conspiracy theory that this is somehow to do with oil...The very reason why we are taking the action that we are taking is nothing to do with oil or any of the other conspiracy theories put forward."[100]

Then Australian Prime Minister John Howard has dismissed on multiple occasions the role of oil in the Iraq Invasion: "We didn't go there because of oil and we don't remain there because of oil."[101] In early 2003 John Howard stated, "No criticism is more outrageous than the claim that United States behaviour is driven by a wish to take control of Iraq's oil reserves."[102]

2008 Republican Presidential Candidate John McCain was forced to clarify his comments suggesting the Iraq war involved U.S. reliance on foreign oil. "My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East," McCain said. To clarify his comments, McCain explained that "the word `again' was misconstrued, I want us to remove our dependency on foreign oil for national security reasons, and that's all I mean."[103]

So, two people who would be just as guilty in the crime said it was no crime, and one person who knew what was going on had to amend his statement affirming the oil link...and that's enough for you?

Oh and those oil companies (the ones who are basically the controlling shareholders in the republican party, and the background of the majority of the Bush adminstration), they didn't gain anything by the massive cost hike caused by the iraq war, they didn't make more profits than any other corporations in history, and they don't now own huge portions of the iraqi oil fields.

I never said oil was the reason for the war, but it was a huge reason we went.

mazeltov · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:51 pm

Eturnal is classic republican wants all benefits of government so long as it's benefitting him and his family. But as soon government does something for someone else they are automatically pussy/worthless/lazy etc. When really what is lazier than getting paid by gov to go to once a month meetings with your bros and chugging a few brewskis (National Guard "training").

H5

Battletard · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:10 pm

Quote:

No, more like those bureaucrats who sit around collecting paychecks and leaving at 2PM, or those $30/hour guys in orange suits holding signs or chewing the fat while six men are assigned to a job that requires one.

That's the government employment you malign. And are a beneficiary of.

Can anyone link me to a job where I can wear some retarded orange jumpsuit and wave a sign around for $30/hour?

Just saying, that would kick the shit out of what I do for a living right now.

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:09 am

Eturnalshift wrote:

This country is full of pussies anymore. Conscription would either fail because of those pussies being pussies, or it would makes this country stronger by teaching our youth to not be pussies. In either way, I'm for it.

(We can fight wars with only special ops and airplanes?! GTFO.)

Are you not reading on purpose, or are you actually this retarded? We wouldn't be fighting wars. Special ops, Navy, and Air Force are all you need when you're a pseudo-island nation (find me a country in the Western hemisphere that's a military threat) focused on defense. The United States needs ground forces only because it's a habitual belligerent, and because it's compensating for its small penis.

I've made it clear before that I wouldn't die to defend this country. I wouldn't die to defend any country. I wouldn't die to defend an ideal. Dying when you didn't have to is the ultimate failure.

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Aug 23, 2011 10:44 am

Yuratuhl wrote:

I've made it clear before that I wouldn't die to defend this country. I wouldn't die to defend any country. I wouldn't die to defend an ideal. Dying when you didn't have to is the ultimate failure.

I, for one, beg to differ.

Yuratuhl wrote:

(find me a country in the Western hemisphere that's a military threat)

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:26 pm

Much as I love making reference to that (and using that very same image), I don't think Canada has particularly invasive goals these days, nor do they have the manpower to hold taken territory.

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