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some guy said women should stop dressing like sluts and they won't get raped, or something to that effect.

response: lets all dress up like sluts and walk around, proving that the reason people get raped isn't because they're dressed like sluts.

is this pointless? is it just an excuse to ho it up down the street for an evening wearing shit most women wouldn't wear? shouldn't they just call it halloween? if someone gets raped at this event, would it invalidate the entire practice?

do women actually think that most guys would agree that its the womans fault for dressing sexy, not the sexual deviant's fault for actually forcing himself upon someone?

Real rape doesn't happen because women dress like sluts.

Real rape happens because women who dress like sluts put themselves in compromising situations.

Accusations of rape are made by women who dress like sluts either:

1) desire to engage in immature attention seeking by way of either:
a) fantasizing that their awesome sexiness arouses violent passion in men
b) the sheer pity, outrage and general drama and feeling of power they experience upon making the accusation

2) desire to have everything their way, and have men "sweep them off their feet" when they want, but reject this as rape when they don't want it, and they refuse to engage courtship in a way that is either rational or mature because that is not consistent with their fundamentally irrational and immature desires

3) desire to victimize men whom they've simply changed their minds about

TLDR, popularity of dressing like sluts and screaming rape is the product of an incredibly immature and unrealistic mindset amongst women these days, and a refusal to accept responsibility for the decisions that they like everyone face in life.

This same profound immaturity and lack of responsibility is why the divorce rate is so high. Women do not want to accept that "love marriage" is not realistic and that successful married life necessarily involves both a transition in lifestyle and an acceptance of the very real human flaws of one's self and spouse.

The same reason these women dress like sluts and scream rape is the same reason they get married then divorce within a year. We live in a very immature culture.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Extending the logic of "It's the woman's fault." says that any victim of any crime is at fault.

It's a shame you were brutally assaulted, but... well you shouldn't have left yourself open.

I don't think the way a woman dresses in any way makes her more or less likely a victim of rape.

and in no way were we talking about accusations of rape, which I think are also unrelated to the clothing worn by the female in question.

I'm angry I can barely type rigt now.

Usd, so if you're out and see a woman dressed 'sluttily', you're not at fautl for raping her? You think it's justified just to pass of your crime by just waving a hand and accusing her of dressing like she asked for it?

It's funny, when I went to Seattle's SlutWalk there were sEveral women who'd been raped, and wore what the clothing they had been rape in. Despite being incredibly modest, all of tem had xperiencdx victim blaming/shamig, one had even been harasse of of her dorm at the UW, and this was in the 70s.

SlutWalk is a movement to (first and foremost) and the culture of victim blaming.

I don't get why women feel the need to dress like sluts in any situation. /shrug

Certainly a woman dressed like a slut is no excuse to rape her...but let's extend the logic further...and I wonder your guys thoughts....

If I go to the South Side of Chicago at around 2AM...and I walk around wearing a bunch of expensive clothing, carrying an iPad and listening to my Dr. Dre Beats headphones ($300.00 headphones)...and I get the shit kicked out of me and all my stuff taken...certainly it's not my FAULT that some guy decided to be an asshole and jack all my stuff.

However, wouldn't we all agree that I was being pretty stupid walking around a terrible neighborhood alone with all this expensive stuff?



Just like this, women need to be more aware of the situations they are in (and need to watch out for each other more). If a woman goes to some frat party wearing skimpy clothing, and they start drinking absurd amounts of alcohol, and they drift off from their friends at said party and head up to some frat assholes room......

No excuse, if she says "no" and the frat boy rapes her, he's a rapist and should have his nuts chopped off. She is clearly a victim.

However, that girl was still pretty stupid to even be near such a situation. Just like me walking around with my expensive shit in a high crime neighborhood.

This is why there needs to be more education about safety in college. Women should all have rape whistles and should take mandatory self defense classes. Oh yeah, and we need to fix this "jello shots" and "cherry bombs" culture that is designed to simply get women wasted beyond belief. Many women are willing participants in it (SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS), and it puts them in terrible situations.

Spare the anger and try reading what usd posted instead of what you want to.

Yeah at no point did usd say it was okay to rape a woman because she dressed slutty. Nor did I.

Usd blames style of dress. I think that's off-base.

Clothing is a personal statement. Certain kinds of people make certain kinds of statements.

There is no causal relationship between a style of dress and getting raped.
There is a causal relationship between a certain kind of person, who dresses a certain way, then either gets raped or makes such an accusation.

Women who dress like sluts do it because they want a certain kind of attention. That same drive makes them do other things to seek attention. If a woman dresses like a slut, she's probably also going to put herself in compromising positions.

There is a difference between walking to your car at night and getting jumped and raped - which, although it happens, is very rare - or some other brazen crime of that nature...and seeking the attention of young and borderline males by dressing in a slutty way then attending events late at night, where there are charged passions, confused situations, and large numbers of people in close quarters - and some of those people aren't entirely stable.



This is bullshit for two reasons:
1) Women who are really the victims of rape aren't going to run around talking about it. It's shameful, not because of "misplaced social victimization" or "being seen as a slut" but because anyone who's been violated in any way - whether it's rape, or any other sort of violation - feels shame to have been taken advantage of. That feeling is human, and it is neither wrong nor useless.

Fear of shame at having been violated is a positive moral force. Constructively channelled, it guides one to find assertiveness and responsibility.

If one does not feel that shame...it is because being violated was never part of the equation in the first place. Such is human nature.

2) The very act of showing up to something called SlutWalk as a purported rape victim is drawing that association for oneself - between dressing like a sex object, and being used as one.

So who's making the argument that women are sex objects?
The rapists, the women going about their business (or have been taken advantage of), or the women who claim to have been raped then associate with sluts?



No. It is a movement for and of the "I want it both ways. I want responsibility, empowerment and protection under the law - everything that comes with being seen as equal to men - but I also want all the prerogatives and influence that come with displaying my sexual allure and behaving in a compromising manner".



There is a difference between,

"I parked my Beemer, which I am very proud of, in the parking garage, because I was doing an errand, and someone broke in."

and

"I parked my Beemer, which I am very proud of, in a troubled neighborhood, because I wanted even more attention, and someone broke in."

Crime A deserves sympathy. Crime B deserves contempt.



This, too, is an immature attitude.

These sorts of things are ways women attempt to "empower" themselves to compensate for the inherent contradictions and unreality of their preferred lifestyle.

Following your analogy - which I also made - relying on self defense and whistles to get out of a bad situation is no different than doing what you described, putting oneself in a compromising situation, then carrying a marine air horn and a Glock and thinking that will solve your problems.

...No. The solution is to grow up, accept that life is a series of choices, and not put oneself in compromising situations.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Here's a question, why do women dress "slutty" in the first place?

What does it get them?

Self confidence? Where does this self confidence come from? Is it the knowledge that men will desire them and will want to have sex with them because they look so "hot"?

Attention and a feeling of power.

And the truth is, most women want to be seen as sex objects.

Women fantasize about a man sweeping her off her feet, or bringing her roses, or fawning on her, etc.
Men fantasize about a woman recognizing his power, his dominance, his virility.

There is a reason men tend to be "do-ers". Their self-image is far less framed in terms of their gender.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Unwillingly, a dick in their butts. LOLOLOL

at what point did i do any of that?

and zaryi, did you not read what I wrote at all? you might want to look at my second post as well.

Girls just grew up on fairytales and refuse to let the idea of a happy ever after go. They normally don't understand the real world. In addition to that most girls believe they have to be a supermodel ( as well as unrealistically skinny) to be happy. At the same time, girls also have an elevated level of power and control over guys (god knows why). I blame prostitution for the supposed power women have over men. If guys are willing to pay for sex (idiots) then sex must be of value therefore you have to earn it.

idk if that makes sense but fuck it




Edit: Rape shouldn't happen no matter what. I don't care if the girl is naked and walking around. At the same time, some girls do use crying rape as a means for attention or to get some guy in trouble much like they use getting pregnant to get money (lol turkey basting).


Edit 2: Just got the whole SlutWalk thing. It's stupid. Of course no one is going to get raped. I hope someone does get raped. Hell, I hope they all get raped at the same time and they do live news coverage and interview Antoine Dodson just for "Hide yo kids, hide yo wives, and hide your husband too cause they rapin everybody out here". Like I don't know, a couple dozen convicted rapists get out. Not because I hate the women or feel they deserve to be raped but because this whole thing sounds stupid as fuck.


Edit 3: I like how much my first and second edit contradict each other. Sup.

I was thinking about this.

It's not a gurl problem. It's an America problem.

Here in America, we have what has become a really dysfunctional culture based around the idea that life's difficult choices need not be made - there is always a way out, a way of having one's cake and eating it too.

For example, the American emphasis on success and vertical advancement that has made menial and manual labor shameful and resulted in illegal immigration and academic inflation.

Or how psychiatry's excessive reliance on pseudo-scientific labelling has more and more become a copout for difficult personal and moral questions - proper parenting, or patience with the nature of children, or teaching discipline to children, and oneself.

Or how the emphasis on consumerism and materialist facades propped up by consumer debt has led to a massive trade deficit and personal debt crisis.

Or how people think that national crises, or the challenges of democracy and a free society, don't necessitate very real, here and now sacrifices - the kind of sacrifices that are harder to accept than blood and glory - whether it's contributing more to Uncle Sam, or slaughtering the sacred cattle of ideology.

I think this thing with women "wanting it all" is another manifestation of that - this is a narrow aspect of a much larger cultural dysfunction. A culture of immaturity.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.