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I'm not referring to driving skills. I'm referring to attitude/impulse control/responsibility and the social implications of kids having cars, and the inherent difficulties and dangers of putting thousands of kids and cars in one small lot.

Cars have gone from being a privilege for some teens to being perceived as a necessity for all. There are too many cars on the road, especially near high schools.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Hurp durp, they do it in the movies, I can do it too!

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

Just put a ban on facebook/myspace/twitter in school computers and then you can actually use them to teach.

No Brawlsack, I fucking remember when that movie came out. Was during my freshman year of college. I still remember every night that entire lousy semester hearing kids racing each other down Broadway St. If anything ever convinced me of the need for censorship, that was it.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

please don't ever mention qbasic in the same vein as C for "programming skills".

edit: ... oh wait, that wasn't supposed to be:



it was supposed to be



in which case you didn't mention C at all .....ergh.

You can still berate him for using the wrong slash.


Also, who wants me to Libertarian-Fu on this?
Nobody?
Good.
Because I don't want to type. I just wanted to say "Libertarian-Fu" and 'berate'.

shitty parents make shitty students, and yet somehow schools get the blame.

if students don't congregate in cars at school they'll congregate elsewhere(parties, parking lots, wherever.) this wouldn't really fix anything, just move the problem elsewhere. actually for a lot of people, particularly the bureacrats, that's a fine solution.

for things like mathematics, aestu's right about the 100 year old text books. ancient history and philosophy probably would be fine too. science not so much. certain subjects need to be updated regularly, but the text book publishers are such a powerful lobby(hence why college is so "required" and trade schools are looked down on) that there's no way this is going to change.

I'd love to see a politician get on tv and blame parents for shitty students. that would be awesome, and really honest for once.

The beration is implied. QBasic programmers aren't used to declarations.

This.



Yes, but not in thousands, and not with hundreds of idling autos in one place.
Also, we should build more parks and recreational facilities - including facilities relevant to current youth such as LAN arcades and skate parks.



Science, too, I think would be fine.

Chemistry, Newtonian physics, cell biology, anatomy - at the level at which these fields are taught to high school students, most of the relevant knowledge hasn't changed in a century or more (actually, I'd say that in the case of all but cell biology, closer to 200-300 years). Kids don't need to know the theory of relativity or the finer points of genetics. They can learn those things later if at all.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Yeah thats probably true. I suppose that while the fields have changed, the curriculum hasn't.

Still, none of that really matters because it doesnt address the problem of parents.

Physics. For everything else, that's probably accurate.

In regards to the original post, tenure exists primarily to attract people to teaching. If you're going to spend the extra year (and money) getting a Master's in exchange for a salary well below what you'd get in the industry, you deserve airtight job security. Running schools like businesses is the worst possible move in terms of reform. You might hold on to a couple humanities teachers that way, but anything that could even come close to looking like a science/math classroom will be a ghost town as all the young talent runs the fuck away.

To Eturnal's post, while I recognize the value of tradeskills and practical education, high school students don't have the first fucking clue what they want to do when they get older. Telling people at age 14 "if you want to be an electrician, build your schedule around it" will just force kids into making life decisions they don't have the maturity (or desire, or knowledge) to make at that point. Shit, if you'd told me when I was 18 that I'd go to law school, I'd have laughed in your face.

As for "libertarian-fu," do you want to know what deregulated schools look like? Here's a hint: they have them in China, and poor people can't afford it.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Newtonian physics hasn't changed in hundreds of years, the theory of relativity and nuclear theory haven't changed in about 75 years, and developments in quantum physics and astrophysics are irrelevant at the high school level. But yeah...

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

We had electricity and magnetism in high school for those in the baller science track, and I'd prefer that sort of thing stay current (HA HA). For classical mechanics, any old thing will do.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Return vast majority of taxes spent on education.
Privatize schooling.
Send the poor to school on a voucher system. Let everybody else use the taxes they aren't paying.
Hold all schools to certain basic standards of education.

Should I list the massive benefits to this basic structure?

So how much would school cost in that setting Weena? Privatization of healthcare/education/etc will only ever serve to benefit a small amount of improvised people, and the wealthy. Middle and working classes would never be able to afford that, lol.

Again I wonder why so many people hold views that are so against their own (and the vast majority of others) self-interest. It's like this sociological study done several years ago where something like 80% of the middle class opposes an income tax on the top .5% because they believe that they'll be a part of that someday. Lol.

Agree with Aestu's orginal list though, excluding number 4. It's been proven time and time again that music and the arts are essential to a well rounded education. It's absurd that we have these nationally standardized tests yet no standardized curriculum.

Also, uniforms = need to happen. As does the 6 day a week school schedule and the abolishment of summer vacation. It's archaic and detrimental to modern American education.

Short anecdote: the month I spent in Japanese high school was intriguing, and how I believe American schools should function. Intensive, highly competitive, structured, and disciplined.