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PS: There were def. aircraft remnants at the Pentagon.

Pretty much this. I'm not going to feign indignation when people point out the truth, that 9/11's have happened throughout history all over the world. I'm also not going to be butthurt about a terrorist attack that didn't kill anyone I know.

I will have respect for the victims that died that day, because they themselves did not deserve to die, at least as a collective whole. I'm sure there were individuals among them who were not nice people, who screwed people over, who profited off of those with lesser means.

This is not to say that EVERYONE in the WTC and Pentagon were like that.

I have the utmost respect for the first responders both living and those who perished. My own father was turned away at the site of the WTC from assisting the first responders in rescue efforts. 20 minutes later, the first tower collapsed. I still have my father today. I am beyond grateful for that, and I would be beyond devastated had he died too that day.

Who knows how I'd feel if my father had died, or another loved one? There are families of victims that are staunchly anti-war, there are families of victims that think Islam is a blight on humanity. There are people in Arkansas with absolutely no connection to 9/11 in anyway other than residing in the same nation, albeit hundreds of miles away, who have an unfathomable anger towards Muslims and Muslim countries.

There is some truth to what Yewluze is saying, though I disagree with the notion that it was a false flag operation executed by the government against our own people (though that HAS happened before).

I think Osama bin Laden was a real person, he commanded and led al Qaida, he died at the hands of US Navy SEALS in a firefight, the details of the firefight are most likely going to be classified for a long time, if not forever. Who knows if every detail is 100% accurate?

We do supply other nations with weapons and aid. We do meddle in other countries affairs, perhaps far more than we should. I don't think that justifies the deaths of civilians in our country, but I also don't think terrorists give a shit who or what they target. They aim for maximum destruction, and they don't believe in or have any concept of collateral damage.

I think a good start to repairing our worldly image would be to get Uncle Sam's nose out of Israel's asshole, and stop supporting Israel so blatantly while still encouraging Israeli peace talks with Palestine. It WOULD be laughable, if the stakes weren't so high and the dangers so serious.

Israel has a right to exist, in my high school diploma bearing just-your-opinion,-man! opinion.

I do think they need not be so fucking greedy in how much land they have, and both sides need to cowboy up and stop being such fucking crybabies about who get's what durka durka statue or holy site on who's land.

The USA is entirely too interventionist in my eyes, and I don't think anyone deserved death on 9/11, but I do think the 9/11 attacks were a result and a retaliation for our interventionist policies and continued support of Israel.

I facepalm so hard it leaves a mark whenever some idiot says we were attacked because 'they just hate our freedoms'.

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The 9/11 conspiracy theorists amuse me.

Maddox owns them.


I was in 9th grade in Columbus, Ohio. I remember hearing people saying strange things in the hallway as I headed from 1st period to 2nd period ("Yeah the towers are on fire" "a plan hit them" "NYC"). As I walked into my Science class, the TV in the back was on, and I saw them on fire. So crazy seeing them fall...

The only other thing I vividly remember about that day was rather odd. As I was walking to the bus stop that morning, around 7:15am.... I passed by a Crow that cawed at me. I dislike Crows in general and think of them as bad omens...and so I sighed and said to myself "today is gonna suck."

True story.

Today I learned I'm older than literally all of you.

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No kidding. When I saw some of these guys were kids during 9/11, I died inside. I res'd myself knowing I was of legal age to bone their moms, tho.

It doesn't matter what country you're from. REAL people died that day. Show some respect.

Real people die every day. Many real people.

I thought the subject felt familiar.

Possibly because for the last 10 years it's been coming up.

2 for 2.

Also, was kinda hoping you had linked my Maddox thread in which I think I stated you reminded me of him, at least appearance wise.

I was in the 8th grade, going to Math class (3rd pd) when mass hysteria ensued. People coming in from 2nd pd gym class were the first to know of the attacks since the locker room TVs were switched on. However, we were all middle school kids and didn't really know how to convey information accurately. By the time the news reached my class, there were reports of the Nazi's attacking us to Timothy McVeigh is back (despite the fact that he was executed 2 months prior).

We literally knew nothing. School continued until the 4th period, but absolutely nothing was talked about except what had happened. The teachers were told not to put on the news, but parents were coming and picking up their kids and all that which only furthered the panic. My 4th pd teacher was really worried though, since her husband worked at the Pentagon. About halfway through class she just upped and left leaving us without supervision. Eventually, we learned that her husband was indeed killed at the Pentagon. We never saw her again.

Finally, I got sick of not knowing what was going on and wasting my time at school. I went home with a friend, and we pretty much treated it as a day off. When we finally got home, we played some Pokemon cards and went swimming. We were not allowed to turn on the television except to play some N64. It sounds dickish now, but I kind of enjoyed the intensity of the day - it was kind of thrilling. I was 13 though, I didn't fucking know any better so don't judge.

Eventually we learned the truth and were phased by it only slightly. Ah ignorance, how I miss you so. Now, every year I watch a bit of the TV specials and try to re-live that day and think to myself how I would have behaved differently or how different our country would have been without 9/11. I also usually learn at least one thing that I didn't know from before. For example, this year I learned of Tod Beamer and his leadership on board Flight 93 and his famous quote "Are you guys ready? Let's roll." For all we know, his heroism could have saved one of my parents (who worked in DC). I also want to be able to tell my kids exactly what I did that day, just as my parents told me where they were when JFK was assassinated and where they were when Columbia exploded.

Surprisingly, I have never had to endure any sort of discrimination or what-have-you based on being a Muslim. I feel fortunate to have grown up in such an educated environment.

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The USA always tries to make the world pity them and sympathise with them, when THEY are the real evil empire folks. Proven over and over again, i know you can't/won't see it but it's a fact, always has been and always will be until their inevitable collapse (every empire collapses).


Thanks to great people like Daniel Ellsberg and Julian Assange, people are finally realising just how little the USA gives a shit about anything but what it can take for itself, keyword: take.

Respect to the Americans here who aren't just brainwashed media and political puppets, bought off by technology and comforts and silenced with fear and superstitions that are plowed in to your brain from every media outlet, almost everywhere you look.

You should look up the 400, 000 secret pentagon documents about the current war that were hidden from the public, which Julian Assange leaked through Wikileak and is now in danger because the USA wants him executed for showing them carrying out torture, murders, unrevealed 15000+ CIV deaths, rapes, handing over prisoners to known abusive/violent iraqi police groups, etc etc. They are attacking even his finances and his credibility with false rape accusations to get him extridited.

You might not think this stuff is a big deal, but it's a very big deal and is going to cause major, major waves once he leaves house arrest and continues leaking documents about all the wars and leaders around the world, even threatening the Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard who's a major cunt (i'm not from aus btw).

Anyway, yea... TL;DR USA is bad, change is coming whether you like it or not.


Hi meowth and jakegor and yewluze and some other BH people i used to obscurely interact with.

8th grade. None of the teachers would talk about it at all and pretty much pretended it didn't exist. Although it was playing on all the TVs in the lunch hall instead of the usual power point presentation.

What I still don't get is why some of the people inside these buildings were told to stay put and not evacuate. I don't know if all available stair and elevators above impact points were destroyed, but those below should have been able to make it to safety, or a fair amount in that time period.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state_terrorism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Assassins
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#Aggregation_of_estimates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki *last line of third paragraph*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contra_scandal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus#Use_in_Iraq_.282004.29

It's only okay when we do it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming