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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:38 pm  
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The idea of school-issued uniforms is stupid. Individuals wearing any clothes can still be individuals and express themselves in some way so there isn't a need to incur an unnecessary budgetary burden just so everyone can look the same.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:02 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
The idea of school-issued uniforms is stupid. Individuals wearing any clothes can still be individuals and express themselves in some way so there isn't a need to incur an unnecessary budgetary burden just so everyone can look the same.


That's the point. Expression of individuality. There is a difference.

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:18 pm  
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why not just make them all shave their heads then?

and all wear jump suits, and stare at a big tv screen that tells them that the state is always right?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:56 pm  
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Prison?


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 1:38 am  
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Hats can be taken off. As to the TV screen bit, I'd say that's redundant at the present.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:00 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
why not just make them all shave their heads then?

and all wear jump suits, and stare at a big tv screen that tells them that the state is always right?


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I think he means...

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:04 pm  
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I should watch that production of 1984 again.

The 1954 BBC production (staring Peter Cushing, aka Grand Moff Tarkin, as Winston Smith), was far superior at "capturing the setting".

In conclusion, the BBC is always right.

EDIT: I think we already live in the world of 1984, in the sense that we live in a society of groupthink and doublespeak. And it is a crumbling society, living off the past, just as surely as the world of 1984.

EDIT 2: I googled "crumbling world 1984". Really good article:
http://deeperwants.com/ratboys_anvil_2/ ... acade.html


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:06 pm  
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there were also those people in equilibrium. its hardly an original idea anymore.


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Equilibrium was so bad.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:20 pm  
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Hijacking thread.

1984, 1+9+8+4=22

2+2=5
22=5
V=5

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carry on.

wait...

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EDIT: I think we already live in the world of 1984, in the sense that we live in a society of groupthink and doublespeak. And it is a crumbling society, living off the past, just as surely as the world of 1984.


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yes, that has been linked here before. carry on.

again.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:26 pm  
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Don't recall so. Thanks, though, I'll have to hold onto that one.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:43 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Don't recall so. Thanks, though, I'll have to hold onto that one.


Do recall so. You're welcome.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:27 pm  
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Beat me to it. I was going to reference 'Brave New World' as being a more accurate depiction of our society.

We are being controlled, but not by an oppressive government. We are being controlled by consumerism and apathy. Apathy induced by consumerism and informational overload is a form of control.

Buy X product, you'll be sooo much sexier.

Drive this car, chicks will bang you!

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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:34 pm  
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I by turns identify with Bernard Marx and John Savage.

I am in many ways those two characters in the flesh.

Very few people today can claim to be as truly free as I am.


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 Post subject: Re: Thoughts on Teachers/Education
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 2:45 am  
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Thinking about it more:

The real irony of 1984 - one that George Orwell himself could never have foreseen - is that its rhetoric is most often parroted by those most blind to it. Those whose thinking has already been most subverted by the dearth of truthful information, original thought and genuine dialogue in today's society.

People who confront truth with sheer volume, typing really big or in weird fonts, like the figures in that illustration yelling and cheering at the viewscreen.
People who curiously blame the crumbling state of their society on the politics that AREN'T in charge.
People who believe they live in the best of all worlds despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
People who believe that most people are fools, but curiously believe the same things as most of the other "fools" and dismiss dissenting opinions out-of-hand.
People who claim to desire a better way of life, but actively support that which undermines their quality of life.
People who begin every line of thought with their programmed political ideology, then make value judgements accordingly.
People who mindlessly parrot buzzwords and phrases like "2+2=5" "bureaucrats", no matter how irrelevant the context, because yelling cliches gives them a feeling of comfort, certainty, and affiliation, and is easier than looking for substance.
People who use doublethink and doublespeak to hold onto views that are not internally consistent.
People who spout propaganda and cliches when confronted with original ideas.
People who are so utterly programmed that no argument, no proof, no evidence, will ever trigger meta-analysis of their views and lifestyle.

1984, for these people, is ironically enough like that scene with Goldstein on the viewscreen in the book itself: people hear truth, but they turn it on its head.

The difference between Winston Smith and his contemporaries and people like Jubber, is that it is very likely that within his own lifetime Jubber will see the system crumble to pieces and his livelihood destroyed in the process. And yet somehow I think that even when that happens...when real misery takes root in this country as a result of the misguided policies that have attained legitimacy by dystopic means, when things really start to implode...and even when it is his own poverty...people like Jubber will continue believing their own lies and going on believing that the attitudes they share with their countrymen are the problem and not the solution.

You see this in countries like Yugoslavia or Russia, where people still blame ethnic minorities or the lack of tyranny for all society's problems, too blinded by determined ignorance to understand they have it backwards. It's a very hard to escape that intellectual rut.

Freedom, as they say, isn't free. The cost of freedom is not resisting slavery, but freedom itself, the moral and intellectual obligations, the challenge of free thought and free life. It is a challenge that many people are not equal to. Inevitably, people like Jubber cannot live free: whether the greedy institutions of the status quo, or, at best, some sort of benevolent despotism that succeeds it, they will always be under the yoke, because they cannot find the strength necessary to preserve their freedom of thought.


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