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True. Did the GOP support it getting repealed?

15 Republicans Representatives voted for the measure, 160 (including freedom loving Paul) voted to continue banning gays from the military.

6 Republican Senators voted for the measure initially, with 2 more jumping to Yea after the vote had already passed. 33(35) Republican Senators voted nay

Dvergar /
Quisling

well i always supported gays being in the military. if they enjoy the country's protection, they should have every right to defend that country as well.

edit: I actually had misgivings about it, but more so because of short term growing pains than anything else. still, long term it should be a good decision.

We'll see how the recruitment/retention numbers hold up...but other than that concern, it was the right thing to do.

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Jubber

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"Well, I was going to sign up to defend my country...but now that I might actually know 100% if I'm serving with a fag, I no longer care about serving my country"

If any people go through this thought process and decide to not enlist because of it, then they have no place serving the country in the first place.

you're right, we should only employ people of absolute moral fortitude in every government controlled office.


....

Well, we should.

Clearly we don't.

Your point?

we can't, because we'd have no one to run anything.

I'm saying a lot of the time, you can't be choosy.

So, wait wait.

'We're involved in too many wars, we need to get all our troops home and cut spending.'

'We can't let them queers in the military because not as many people would sign up.'

You're worried that there will be a smaller army. . .while suggesting we need a smaller army.

Dvergar /
Quisling

are you saying the ends justify the means?

serving in the military = government office?

news to me

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stop skimming.

DADT was a great way to show Fant he's an idiot, as it shows that one of the biggest things to happen in the past year or so was done so by dragging republicans kicking and screaming on the road to progress.

Wait a minute, that doesn't sound right.

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Smaller on purpose is one thing. Smaller as a result of not being able to recruit/retain is quite another. I don't think you realize where most military recruits come from and what kind of people they are (hint: I had to learn all about grits when I started cooking in the military).



There's a reason they're referred to a Military Officers.



I love how representative democracy is great until the will of the people as expressed through their elected representatives doesn't line up with your thinking, then it becomes some sort of travesty of the juvenile and unintelligent holding back 'progress.' I've been noticing that consistency of thought/morality/ethics are sorely lacking here and elsewhere, and we're living in a land of situational ethics/morality where a person might have a chance to explain batter-dipping and deep-frying orphans and get away with it so long as he could convince everyone it was the best possible outcome for everyone.

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Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Yeah. What, do you think they're private employees? Or are you being sarcastic?

People made these same lame predictions when they let black people join the army. Nothing came of it. Israel lets gays serve and they get by fine. Historically, most armies have had lots of gays. Cue Winston Churchill quote about the British Navy. There was a big scandal about gays in EU armies back in the 1900s and it didn't stop them from being able to recruit enough people to start WWI.

People who won't serve because of gays are few and fundamentally undesirable. There's way more to be disliked in military life than people being gay.

That said. I don't think openly gay people are a problem in the military, but I think flaming gay people are. If everyone knows you're gay, for properly disciplined soldiers it won't be a problem. If you run around reminding everyone you're gay, it's only a matter of time before you get hazed or fragged then blame the system.

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