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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:37 am  
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What works, what doesn't? How can we maximize efficiency while spending less money? Do we really need to pay Lockheed Martin $150 million to develop a jet fighter, and then scrap the project halfway through leaving Lockheed Martin with $150 million, and us with no fighter jet, and up Shit Creek with no paddle, or canoe for that matter.

The Air Force spent $200M over 10 years trying to get a company (Accenture[?] and their sub-contractors, I think) to redevelop some of their internal software to make it more user friendly and modern. The old software was developed over 30 years ago and was used to bridge between multiple systems... kinda to provide a single-entry go-to portal that can query all 'databases' at once... it really is a huge system. Anyways, the Air Force never got their deliverable, they're still using their old software (which is all run in a DOS-like window), and they have no intention of upgrading in the future since they wasted $200M on nothing.

From what I understand, the DoD gave the biggest chunk to Accenture[?] and divied up the rest of the work to dozens of smaller contracting agencies; Accenture then sub-contracted their chunk of the work to a bunch of other people. Since such a large split of work and contract didn't work very well this has been one of the reasons why most of the big-name contractors are getting high-dollar awards from the AF and the smaller guys get noting (but subbed to the big-names). The big-names have a greater reputation, a larger bench-stock and greater resources so they can charge the government top dollar.

Some of my friends are billed to the government at a rate of $120-150/hr (for high level programming), where they only see a fraction of that (maybe 30-40%), so the company get's to pocket the rest. Kinda crazy...
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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:11 pm  
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Thank you, Eturnal, for being a voice of reason among conservatives.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:14 pm  
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That sounds more like black budgeting.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:20 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
That sounds exactly like our government conducting business as usual.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:33 pm  
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Do you know what a black budget is? Where do you think they get the money?


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
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Aestu wrote:
Do you know what a black budget is? Where do you think they get the money?


Oh I see how it is Aestu, just because Obama is in office it's a "black budget"????


So racist.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:41 pm  
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..the Pentagon's black budget. This budget, both a cover for vital national secrets and a wasteful proving ground for theoretical world wars, conceals hundreds of programs, many of which propel the economic engines of Silicon Valley...

...Almost 40 cents of every dollar budgeted for Air Force equipment is dedicated to secret projects, he says.


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The Air Force spent $200M over 10 years trying to get a company (Accenture[?] and their sub-contractors...

...Some of my friends are billed to the government at a rate of $120-150/hr (for high level programming), where they only see a fraction of that (maybe 30-40%), so the company get's to pocket the rest. Kinda crazy...


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Sounds like black budgeting.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:45 pm  
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Just making sure - you know I was joking about the racist thing, right?


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:51 pm  
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I know what a black budget is. It's shit like that which makes me sick to know that this sort of thing goes on. It IS business as usual. It's not a new concept. Money is earmarked for 'special top secret projects' with very little oversight in the name of national security. AKA Welfare for Defense Contractors.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:57 pm  
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so many leaks in this boat.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:04 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
so many leaks in this boat.


Exactly my point. The government taxes people enough, they just don't manage finances as if they were their own.

Other people's money, yayyy, and if we fuck shit up we'll just raise taxes next year or nerf social programs!


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:15 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
Other people's money, yayyy, and if we fuck shit up we'll just raise taxes next year or nerf social programs!


The government's revenue is taxes. What do you want to do, make the government open a bake sale so it'll be responsible with its money?


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:44 pm  
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Mns wrote:
Battletard wrote:
Other people's money, yayyy, and if we fuck shit up we'll just raise taxes next year or nerf social programs!


The government's revenue is taxes. What do you want to do, make the government open a bake sale so it'll be responsible with its money?


Mayo's solution to government mismanaging money: Give them more money to mismanage by raising taxes.

Mayo's solution to low income families and individuals (Not ALL of them mismanage money, I know this dipshit): Give them more money for them to mismanage.


See a pattern anyone?


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:52 pm  
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I'm just wondering how taxes are "other people's money". I mean, the government provides services (roads, regulatory agencies, defense, etc) and gets paid in taxes.

PS: This isn't a tea party rally or Ron Paul convention. Saying things like "OMG HE WANTS TAXES TO BE RAISED!!!" isn't going to earn you any points.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:54 pm  
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Republican solution to corporations and the wealthy mismanaging (read: stuffing in their pockets and not stimulating the economy despite promises to the contrary) money: tax cuts so they can do it more.

See? I can make idiotic, sensationalist generalizations with minor basis in fact too.


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