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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:46 pm  
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The USPS has always been a bugbear to right-wingers who resent that government can potentially do anything right.


Uh...what about the USPS is the government doing right? The USPS is TERRIBLE. I guarantee if we eliminated the USPS, and allowed FedEx, UPS, etc. to take control of all mail delivery it would be more efficient, there would be fewer mistakes; it would be perhaps slightly more expensive to the consumer, but an overall better service. It also wouldn't cost the government (taxpayers) so much money.

Have you ever even been to a post office?

This reminds me of something that happened a few months ago. I was walking back to the office from lunch...and I passed by a post office mailbox. It was slightly windy that day, and this mail lady was dumping all the mail from the mailbox into a white bin. The winds were blowing pieces of mail around...some were literally landing in the fucking street. This mail lady wasn't paying attention, made no effort to stop this mail from getting blown all over Chicago, and just kept dumping dumping...like it was nothing.

-The countless checks I've sent for our company that have been lost in the mail....
-Tax returns that get jammed in their goddamn machines and get destroyed to shit...
-Terrible post office wait times, uneducated morons running things who can't answer your questions and fall back on the crutch of "procedure"
-Just last month I had an amazon.com order delivered via USPS. It arrived in Chicago on the 1st of September (was scanned). It sat at their fucking facility for a WEEK until it finally got delivered to me. I contacted amazon because I thought it had been lost or something...nope, it was just an inefficient government system doing what it does best, being shitty.
Jesus Christ the post office is god awful.

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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:47 pm  
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THis has already been discussed in the thread. Wasteful spending is anything that jubber/eturnal/insert name of retard here don't benefit from. Eturnal works for a fucking defense contractor you think he actually has a problem with a hugely inflated military budget. Of course not. Who would pay him to browse Fubu and foxnews.com for 8 hours a day?

People like this are the true low lifes of society. Their get mine fuck you attitude can be found in all their opinions whether it be taxes or foreign policy. As long as THEY get what they want they are happy. It's not entirely surprising but sad that human beings without a hint of altruism exist in this world.


Policy changes impacting excessive military spending as well as inefficient domestic programs can't coexist?



I can't imagine a bill passing that would cut both military and domestic program spending. And if such a deal did pass it would be extremely watered down and accomplish virtually nothing.


Unfortunately, I agree with you. Until we get the career politicians out of office, it will never happen.

Term limits ftw.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:52 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
mazeltov wrote:
Battletard wrote:
mazeltov wrote:
THis has already been discussed in the thread. Wasteful spending is anything that jubber/eturnal/insert name of retard here don't benefit from. Eturnal works for a fucking defense contractor you think he actually has a problem with a hugely inflated military budget. Of course not. Who would pay him to browse Fubu and foxnews.com for 8 hours a day?

People like this are the true low lifes of society. Their get mine fuck you attitude can be found in all their opinions whether it be taxes or foreign policy. As long as THEY get what they want they are happy. It's not entirely surprising but sad that human beings without a hint of altruism exist in this world.


Policy changes impacting excessive military spending as well as inefficient domestic programs can't coexist?



I can't imagine a bill passing that would cut both military and domestic program spending. And if such a deal did pass it would be extremely watered down and accomplish virtually nothing.


Unfortunately, I agree with you. Until we get the career politicians out of office, it will never happen.

Term limits ftw.


I agree on term limits. However, the lengths need to be longer if anything. We have far too many lame ducks and people concerned only with their re-election campaigns so dick gets done. Think about it, how much time is Obama already spending on his re-election campaign, I wonder?

Not to mention, people who won't get in and do what needs to be done for fear of voter retaliation.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:55 pm  
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USPS is fine so long as it's break even or better. Because that means... wait for it... it's paid for by those using it.

There also isn't an explicit or side-effect monopoly. I'm not required to use USPS if I do want to mail or ship something.

The question is: Does USPS break even?

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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:57 pm  
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Term limits (number of terms) should be lowered while term length should be increased. 1 8 year term is my idea but I just came up with that idea on the spur of the moment. An end to PAC/Superpac whatever other bullshit you want to call it. Maximum of $100 dollars per person can be donated to campaigns by individuals only. More room for additional parties so that more views are represented and true compromise must occur. If we changed the current way that we elect the House (districts) and instead used % of popular vote and then gave those seats out proportionately to each party I think it would be better than voting for specific candidates.

I think this could help to eliminate a lot of the corruption on Capitol Hill and encourage congressmen to work with each other/with their constituents more.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:00 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Uh...what about the USPS is the government doing right? The USPS is TERRIBLE.


Delivering mail, for 35 cents a letter, and doing parcels for less than the UPS or FedEx.

Azelma wrote:
-The countless checks I've sent for our company that have been lost in the mail....
-Tax returns that get jammed in their goddamn machines and get destroyed to shit...
-Terrible post office wait times, uneducated morons running things who can't answer your questions and fall back on the crutch of "procedure"
-Just last month I had an amazon.com order delivered via USPS. It arrived in Chicago on the 1st of September (was scanned). It sat at their fucking facility for a WEEK until it finally got delivered to me. I contacted amazon because I thought it had been lost or something...nope, it was just an inefficient government system doing what it does best, being shitty.
Jesus Christ the post office is god awful.


If people are claiming the "mail ate the check / tax return" then you're just plain gullible.

Delivery times for packages are calculated when the business notifies the USPS they intend to send it. The product was sitting in the business's warehouse not the USPS. If it took that long to ship through USPS it's because you were cheapskate and bought Media Mail not Priority Mail or even First Class which costs nearly the same.

Then again some of us just use anything government-related as a shill for their own failings. Which brings us to the here and now.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:06 pm  
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I'd like to see actual numbers on the number of packages that USPS fails to deliver.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:07 pm  
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mazeltov wrote:
Term limits (number of terms) should be lowered while term length should be increased. 1 8 year term is my idea but I just came up with that idea on the spur of the moment. An end to PAC/Superpac whatever other bullshit you want to call it. Maximum of $100 dollars per person can be donated to campaigns by individuals only. More room for additional parties so that more views are represented and true compromise must occur. If we changed the current way that we elect the House (districts) and instead used % of popular vote and then gave those seats out proportionately to each party I think it would be better than voting for specific candidates.

I think this could help to eliminate a lot of the corruption on Capitol Hill and encourage congressmen to work with each other/with their constituents more.


I share your and Azelma's opinions almost word for word.

If you only get elected once, you have time to do shit, PLUS you're not worried about re-election a few months to a year after taking office.

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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:08 pm  
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Weena wrote:
USPS is fine so long as it's break even or better. Because that means... wait for it... it's paid for by those using it.

There also isn't an explicit or side-effect monopoly. I'm not required to use USPS if I do want to mail or ship something.

The question is: Does USPS break even?

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It's an obligation of government.


I disagree.


Actually you are. FedEx/UPS have license to ship packages, and courier service can do 1:1 shipments, but the USPS has a legal monopoly on mail service for damn good reasons.

It's most definitely a responsibility of government and has been since the Bronze Age. Nothing has changed. Do you want a private company that can do whatever they want, whenever they want, accountable to no one but their shareholders having power over your mail? What if someone doesn't like you and opens your mail or redirects it? What if they decide they don't want to do coverage to your area because they don't think it's worthwhile? What if they decide they're "okay" with losing 5% of your mail? What are you going to do, who are you going to appeal to?

Postal service, like the military, is run by the state because even if you don't need the police, or firefighters, or the justice system, or anything else, right here, right now, it is in our collective interest that those things so important to our way of life be within reach of political and legal accountability. That is what constitutional government is all about.

If those things become private then you will see just how bad it is living in a world where "whoever has the gold makes the rules".

And if you think "the market will fix it", in the exhibit corner we have the video game industry, Comcast, gas prices, the airline industry, healthcare costs, and everything else the "free market" doesn't fix, blaming regulation all the while operating in one of the least regulated environments in the civilized world.

But what this is really all about is the greed and arrogance of the American people. The fact that the USPS has done its job, reasonably well, better than most things in our society or the world at large, for over a century now, JUST ISN'T ENOUGH for some people. It's NEVER enough. We always have to have more, cheaper, better. That is what is dragging this country down.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:09 pm  
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Term limits will make a bad problem worse for a very simple reason which is that NGOs don't have them so it will put them at an even greater advantage in gaming the system. Campaign finance is 95% of the problem and it needs to be overhauled.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:11 pm  
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35 cents a letter plus however much taxpayer money gets dumped into the post office by the government.

If it's running at a deficit, it has to get money from somewhere.

if it broke even or was turning a bit of a profit, that's totally fine.




The shitty thing about overhauls to capital hill is that there's no way anyone will vote in term limits and shit like that. Who polices the police?(maybe not a good metaphor, as the police has internal affairs, and answers to the city/state, but still)

EDIT: by this focus on the post office, i'm going to guess that everything else I said is gravy to cut with everyone else?


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
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A private company can do whatever it wants.

But they're going to do things we like, and they're going to have to do them better or cheaper than their competitors, or they disappear.

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We always have to have more, cheaper, better.

How is this a bad thing?

These all lead to a more prosperous life.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
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Aestu wrote:
Weena wrote:
USPS is fine so long as it's break even or better. Because that means... wait for it... it's paid for by those using it.

There also isn't an explicit or side-effect monopoly. I'm not required to use USPS if I do want to mail or ship something.

The question is: Does USPS break even?

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It's an obligation of government.


I disagree.


We always have to have more, cheaper, better. That is what is dragging this country down.


I argue that we can have more, cheaper and better all at the same time. Which is in essence my argument in favor of eliminating wasteful spending.

Military doesn't get blank checks. Social programs become streamlined but not eliminated outright. Funds and taxes collected are better utilized. Citizens retain more income, or at least equal as a result.

Yet because this doesn't happen, we can't have more, cheaper and better. And that is why we are so heavily in debt, which is what is dragging this country down, at least in an economic sense.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
PostPosted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:16 pm  
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Weena wrote:
A private company can do whatever it wants.

But they're going to do things we like, and they're going to have to do them better or cheaper than their competitors, or they disappear.

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We always have to have more, cheaper, better.

How is this a bad thing?

These all lead to a more prosperous life.


It's not so much that it's a bad thing, it's that this goal is unattainable due to the current state of American politics, yet it is still being pursued without drastic overhauls being made.


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 Post subject: Re: LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE, LEAVE HIM ALONE FUBU MODZ
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Weena wrote:
But they're going to do things we like, and they're going to have to do them better or cheaper than their competitors, or they disappear.


Its really adorable to see how naiive you are.


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