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I was reading about him this weekend and I think I read that he maintains a dual-citizenship between the United States and Yemen. Although he's an American, he's also Yemeni and a member of Al Qaeda. For a long time he was a central recruiter for Al Qaeda and he was a heavy propagandist, writing articles for various jihadist magazines and websites. The Administrations (Bush and Obama) started upping his threat level when they said he was behind a couple attacks until he eventually was placed on the CIA's 'Kill List.' al-Awlaki's father (in conjunction with the ACLU and others) tried to sue the Obama administration for putting him on the list but the judge more or less said he couldn't sue because he wasn't in position to sue the President and other Obama administration officials. The reasoning for him being placed on that list is allegedly classified information so we don't get much more than, "He's a bad guy." Regardless of how bad he is, he is an American citizen living abroad and working with a terrorist organization.

I also read that there have been other Hellfire strikes on al-Awlaki in the past but they haven't been successful, although they did kill other AQ members. This one finally got him. The previous strikes suggests, to me, that he was the intended target.

I haven't read anything suggesting he renounced his citizenship nor have I read anything about a judge doing it in some legal way... I feel like that would settle this entire mess and be big news.

So he joined what amounts to an enemy militia?

I'm ok with this. It's military enough for it to count in my book.

I feel like it was warranted.

If I am a criminal organization or terrorist organization leader, but I live in Yemen while maintaining dual citizenship with the USA, that's one thing. If I am actively involved in orchestrating and implementing attacks that could kill soldiers or civilians, that's entirely different.

I think the line needs to be drawn at 'If he is pulling the strings from another country while other people carry out his directives, and we can't do anything to stop him other than hellfire him..'

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

Guessing the judge in question really didn't want to have to deal with trying a case against the administration, and decided the father didn't have standing to bring suit on behalf of his son. It's a copout, as all denials based on standing are, but putting myself in the judge's shoes I'd probably have done the same.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

I think that's the precedent that people are fearing of setting. If we give the government the ability to target its own people for that premise (American, but planning to kill other Americans) then we're giving them the green light to just do what they want, right?

Justifiable homicide.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

The government would lose the case against itself. Homicide is only justified when the danger you preempted was imminent. If this guy was in a car and not shooting at us, the imminency requirement is not met.

Unless the government plays the "battered woman" card, in which case it's sometimes justifiable even if the danger isn't imminent. Somehow, I don't think that approach would mesh up with the American identity.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Shit I didn't think of it this way, I just got caught up in all the brouhaha. I guess it really does set us on a somewhat slippery slope, doesn't it..

Not that I still don't think it was for the good of the country (perhaps the world) that he was taken out, but it probably should have been done in a different way.

My original stance is recanted, will issue an official stance... when I think of one

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Nothing will come of this "controversy."

I'm not concerned about a drone strike on some durkadurk overseas operating as an enemy combatant for a well known internationally recognized terrorist organization.

I'd be VERY concerned with CIA sniper teams running bullseyeing citizens that are members of crime syndicates that could be captured much easier and given a trial. Look at John Walker Lindh, trip down memory lane. He was an American citizen operating within the Taliban against US soldiers. He happened to be captured, but if the outcome was he was killed by gunfire in a skirmish with our troops, would people still be raising hell advocating for his rights?


Moral of the story is don't join a terrorist organization with the intent of harming your fellow citizens (including the ACLU morons) and you won't get pewpew'd.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

I don't know how it works down there in anything goes land but in Canada everyone should always be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

The exception being when the war measures act (now emergencies act) is invoked during times of severe emergency.

The last time something like this was invoked was to deal with the FLQ.

Those crazy separatists.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

It's tricky because this wasn't Joe Billy Backwater acting alone on a plot to assassinate Obama.

He was overseas holding a senior position let alone membership in a terrorist organization. Should he be given a fair trial?

Sure. Just hop a plane to the US and turn yourself in, receive a 20 year sentence plea bargain and enjoy your book and movie deal once you're out.

It's not rocket science.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

so you're saying the law should be selective to whom it protects?

every citizen* of the country should have the same rights


*all posts made assuming this person was still a citizen of the united states of america

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