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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:32 pm  
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Completely appropriate for this thread.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 2:54 pm  
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Aestu has a point. This thread is now about the fallacies of feminism and girls who think they know what equality is.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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I WANT EQUAL RIGHTS BUT WITH LESS WORK LOAD, MORE PAY, LESS RESPONSIBILITY AND FREE STUFF!


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 5:45 pm  
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Feminists worked hard to "empower" women to be permitted to use their genitals as a means of social advantage (something previously seen as indecent) because the reality is they care more about personal advantage and power over men than they do about dignity or real equality.

Women made the choice to accede to the video then invent all kinds of clever rationalizations about why they get attention for amazing qualities other than their business parts.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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I'd love to have a way to talk about women and their bullshit without them being able to pull out the "misogynist" card.

I don't hate women. I just hate bullshit.

And women.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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Quote:
Equal Rights


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More rights, and more protective laws, and more ways to get ahead, more ways to fuck over men


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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I always ask female feminists if they signed up for selective service.

2/2 have been 'no'.

I stopped those conversations and walked away as soon as the 'oh' sound.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:11 pm  
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Weena wrote:
I always ask female feminists if they signed up for selective service.

2/2 have been 'no'.

I stopped those conversations and walked away as soon as the 'oh' sound.


I wonder if they both knew what it was. Probably thought it was some subscription to some 'Sand in my Vag' magazine.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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It always disturbs me deeply and I have to take time and make sure I haven't gone retarded when some of you agree with me.

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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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rofl the selective service argument has long been a favorite of mine.

oh you didn't have to register for the draft? I guess we're not equal after all.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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It'd be a great idea to allow women to sign up for selective service, let's just fix those pay discrepancies and the 'mommy tax' while we're equal. Both sexes face discrimination in someways today, and it's tiring to hear you guys constantly complain about how women are 'pussifying' America or some such bullshit. The patriarchal society is slowly dying out - something western civilization has never experienced, but changing norms are generally ever a bad thing, especially when social rights/equality are concerned.

It's a shame feminism as a denomyn has become so widely associated with the absurd minority (inb4 'ironic from zaryi). We're not all manhating, unshaven hippies, lol. Not even close. The vast majority of feminist merely believe that gender-identity/biological sex should have absolutely no baring on the rights afforded to us by employers or the state (or even other people). It's a pretty humanist philosophy.

Secular humanism ftw.

The Jedi code is also a good substitute.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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Zaryi wrote:
It'd be a great idea to allow women to sign up for selective service, let's just fix those pay discrepancies and the 'mommy tax' while we're equal.


There is no "mommy tax". There is only the reality of human biology. Life is a stream of mutually exclusive choices.

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The patriarchal society is slowly dying out - something western civilization has never experienced, but changing norms are generally ever a bad thing, especially when social rights/equality are concerned.


False. This sort of thing was seen during the decline of the Roman Republic: very high divorce rates, exaggerated influence and pampering of women, etc.

And yes change for the worse has happened, besides in Rome. Lao Tzu wrote about "when true values are forgotten, false substitutes take their place". The Dark Ages, or more recently errors of human wisdom in the form of "scientific" bigotry and psychiatric pseudoscience, or the mindless worship of technology - there have been many digressions in the wrong direction through history.

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It's a shame feminism as a denomyn has become so widely associated with the absurd minority (inb4 'ironic from zaryi). We're not all manhating, unshaven hippies, lol. Not even close. The vast majority of feminist merely believe that gender-identity/biological sex should have absolutely no baring on the rights afforded to us by employers or the state (or even other people). It's a pretty humanist philosophy.


Which most men would agree with....and most women would disagree with.

Feminism is as feminism does, and what feminism does is institutional inequality grossly and hypocritically balanced in women's favor.

You make reference to the "mommy tax". The only way to correct that "tax" is institutional inequality. And reality being what it is, perhaps equitable inequality is a necessary evil. Were women really worse off when their place was the home?

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Secular humanism ftw.
The Jedi code is also a good substitute.


You know, my grandparents were members of a Jewish Socialist group called the Workmen's Circle. We still have memorabilia from the group laying around. The group gradually faded in relevance, but the underlying values of compassion and paying forward still influence my now-affluent family. What really killed the group, though, said my grandmother, was, "It needed more than secular humanism. It needed God."

I don't believe that we need a bearded man in the sky, or a myth thereof, to tell us what to do or give life meaning. But I agree with Nietzche that some human god is necessary for life to have structure and purpose. Hence my belief that we need ancestor worship and some real evolution of monotheism into something more abstract and sophisticated. This is, of course, a very typically Jewish belief; Jews have spent the last three thousand years making their vision of God ever more abstract while sharing that vision with the world.

God is a creation of mankind, and I think that man must mature to master his creations, be they cultural or technological, not the other way around. To build them in his own image, not the other way around.

I reject the Jedi code, from a philosophical point of view, because like most men I firmly believe in an agonist vision for life. I believe that conflict is both inevitable and desirable, and reject the concept of tranquility and conceptual pacifism. I believe that conflict, anger and even hatred are useful emotions, and that the focus of human philosophy and institutions should not be to diminish those things but to put them in the proper context.

As the Christians say, "Love the sinner, hate the sin." Make no mistake, the expression is rightly literal, not metaphorical.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:37 am  
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Zaryi wrote:
It'd be a great idea to allow women to sign up for selective service, let's just fix those pay discrepancies and the 'mommy tax' while we're equal. Both sexes face discrimination in someways today, and it's tiring to hear you guys constantly complain about how women are 'pussifying' America or some such bullshit. The patriarchal society is slowly dying out - something western civilization has never experienced, but changing norms are generally ever a bad thing, especially when social rights/equality are concerned.

It's a shame feminism as a denomyn has become so widely associated with the absurd minority (inb4 'ironic from zaryi). We're not all manhating, unshaven hippies, lol. Not even close. The vast majority of feminist merely believe that gender-identity/biological sex should have absolutely no baring on the rights afforded to us by employers or the state (or even other people). It's a pretty humanist philosophy.

Secular humanism ftw.

The Jedi code is also a good substitute.


We don't disagree that women deserve equal rights and equal treatment. Along with equal treatment and equal rights comes equal responsibilities. While it may not be possible to completely equalize gender responsibilities, simply due to biological capabilities and limits of said capabilities, we can push for as much equalization as is possible and reasonable to expect.


I think where the line gets blurry is when women (and other minorities) demand more rights and more laws in their favor. That's not equality.


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God is a creation of mankind, and I think that man must mature to master his creations, be they cultural or technological, not the other way around. To build them in his own image, not the other way around.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:51 am  
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I think you'd all like the issues to be simpler than they are. Everyone's on the same page about equal pay, equal rights, and equal consideration. Everyone can get behind hiring and firing being skill-based rather than gender based.

But it gets complicated fast. Biological differences create problems that are necessarily legal. Take pregnancy. It's a time and energy sink, and if an immediate thought of an HR rep is "gotta be careful about hiring 25-40 year old women, they might take some days for their kids" then the system is already tipped against women. My solution here is (predictably) French, in that fathers should get paternity leave. You can't take away a woman's days in labor/nursing, so level the playing field by giving men days off as well instead of allowing a company's hiring staff to make judgment calls.

The trickiest issue is rape. Yes, men can be raped. The reality is that this happens far less frequently than man-on-woman rape. While I agree with most of you that the evidentiary standard is too much in the accuser's favor, I want there to be a distinction between "accuser" and "woman." The standard is the same for either gender, it just so happens that women are more likely to be rape victims. It appears more unfair than it is, even if it's imperfect. It may not be justifiably unfair, but it's a defense. Men are more likely to be rapists than women.

As for selective service? Sign them up. I don't care if they don't want to, I didn't want to either and I did it anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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I agree with Tuhl. Especially about paternity leave.

I also think mandatory vacations are a good thing, just like in the EU. Anyone who has studied accounting knows why.


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