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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:07 am  
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Okay, so some elements of our military acted immorally and hindered, hassled and annoyed the democratic process and impacted the state of the US to a minor degree.

As far as Kennedy goes, I strongly disagree with you saying the CIA did it. in b4 this isnt a court of law. Mainstream belief for decades has been that Oswald did it, therefore the burden of proof is on you. 'Go fucking google it' isn't satisfying that burden, so show us some evidence that isn't from some wackjob.

Until then, the CIA did not kill Kennedy. I suppose you think the moon landing was staged?

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While I do think what you refer to are legitimate concerns (apart from the bogus claim that the CIA killed Kennedy), I do not believe for one second that the military would go rogue and completely disregard Presidential orders. If he said GTFO, shut down those bases, stop funding research for defense contractor welfare projects, they couldn't and wouldn't do shit about it.


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:20 am  
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-Oswald did not have the training to headshot a moving target at extreme range
-Everyone associated with the killing "conveniently" disappeared or died shortly after the events
-Oswald was not an isolated or anonymous figure to the American intelligence establishment but a known if unstable variable connected to their own assets
-Oswald's disjointed but purposeful behavior was consistent with the mental programming methods developed by the CIA
-The Oswald assassination was without direct motive and impossible without inside assistance
-The CIA was known to be intensely disgruntled over JFK's intention to shitcan the agency and had a long history of knowing no bounds in their activities

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Okay, so some elements of our military acted immorally and hindered, hassled and annoyed the democratic process and impacted the state of the US to a minor degree.


Some elements? lol. The military, like all militaries, is organized on the principle of blind obedience and blind loyalty. The mindless hordes that snap to its defense and the brainwashed homunculi that scream "WE'RE FIGHTIN FOR UR FREEDOM" whenever their motives or actions are questioned is proof enough that the very danger of the military to the democracy is its monolithic nature.

A $12T debt is hardly "minor". Thousands of Americans dead in Vietnam, and the political and social changes that resulted, were hardly "minor". The enormous cost and political and cultural influence of the military that they have chosen to claim for themselves is hardly "minor".

What the military decided to do can be considered "minor" only presuming there were no alternatives.

It's also worth noting that the military unanimously recommended dealing with the Cuban Missile Crisis by direct application of force. If we did what they said, because obviously the military knows best about war, you can damn well bet we'd live in a very different world.

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Mainstream belief for decades has been that Oswald did it, therefore the burden of proof is on you.


Majority opinion is not factual evidence of anything. Facts are supported by logic and evidence, not just people saying so.

The very fact that what you claim is a simple rogue killing has not been conclusively resolved is itself proof that there is more to it than meets the eye.

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While I do think what you refer to are legitimate concerns (apart from the bogus claim that the CIA killed Kennedy), I do not believe for one second that the military would go rogue and completely disregard Presidential orders. If he said GTFO, shut down those bases, stop funding research for defense contractor welfare projects, they couldn't and wouldn't do shit about it.


They've done it before in the examples I gave.

What makes our military somehow different than every other military ever? What makes them somehow infinitely inclined to obey orders they have the means to disregard?


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 Post subject: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:36 am  
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Supplying false and shady intel in the pretext of going to war in Iraq is a little bit different than going 'No, fuck you Mr. President I do WUT I wannnnt.'


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:39 am  
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Battletard wrote:
Supplying false and shady intel in the pretext of going to war in Iraq is a little bit different than going 'No, fuck you Mr. President I do WUT I wannnnt.'


It adds up to exactly the same thing which is controlling the outcome of events by subverting the democratic government.

I would argue it is worse because the latter is a military approach, based on unilateral application of force, whereas the former is political and thus a direct challenge to democratic governance.

And as I pointed out, the military has made or tried to make decisions far more far-reaching and dangerous than the invasion of Iraq.


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:45 am  
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thus far,

gop candidate with most donations from active duty military:

Dr. Paul: $36,739.79

closest Republican competitor was Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain, with $6,223

Seems pretty clear to me.


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:56 am  
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You know, I never really got why people insist on rubbing in the fact that Ron Paul is a doctor every time they mutter his name.

Is it an attempt to make him seem more legitimate?


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:06 am  
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What does it matter? Congressman Paul, Dr. Paul, Mr. Paul, and Chairman Paul are all sufficient titles for the man.
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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:35 pm  
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Mns wrote:
You know, I never really got why people insist on rubbing in the fact that Ron Paul is a doctor every time they mutter his name.

Is it an attempt to make him seem more legitimate?



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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:46 pm  
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Say what you want about paul, but he has more experience than obama did.


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
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Usdk wrote:
Say what you want about paul, but he has more experience than obama did.


Complain about establishment

Tout experience

what?

ib4 'no no it's different this time'

Paul isn't going to get the nomination because the Republican leadership doesn't want him to get the nomination.


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:27 pm  
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he isn't going to get the nod anyway, and none of the candidates are in any way a threat to obama.

I've said it before and I'll say it clear to election day, as of right now the only candidate obama has to beat is himself.


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:43 pm  
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If polls are to be believed...

Both Rasmussen and Gallup have been having monthly polls saying something to the effect of, "If the presidential election were today, who would you vote for: Republican Candidate or Obama." In the polls Obama has been losing (or tying) to a 'generic' candidate from the Republican side. In head-to-head match ups, Obama hasn't been doing all that well against Romney or Perry but does well against others. Since Romney, Perry and Cain are the front-runners at this time, I think Obama is going to have a harder time defending his position. I think the interesting thing to consider is the people polled are saying, "We don't give a fuck who the Republican is... as long as it's not Obama!" Don't forget how the, "We don't give a fuck as long as its not Bush" played into Obama's election back in 2008. I'm fairly confident that Obama will be out of the White House if he can't pull his economy together; a couple terrorist slayings and some unorganized wall street protests aren't going to be enough for him this time around... at least that's what I'm hoping.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... dates.html
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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:55 pm  
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Huntsman who?


Hunt, hunt, hunt
He's the Huntsman
"Into action" is his cry
From the forest to the city
He will run there in a jiffy
To sock evil in the eye

Marty Feeb was a poor hunter
Hungry without dough
'Til the day he saved a chunky elf
From being eaten by a crow
The elf rewarded Marty Feeb
With a magic sack of corn
He gained strength and speed and shiny teeth
And as the Huntsman was reborn

Hunt, hunt, hunt
He's the Huntsman
He'll whip the pants off the bad guys
If there's an emergency
Sound the Horn of Urgency
And summon the Huntsman
"Into action" is his cry!

Hunt!


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:09 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
If polls are to be believed...

Both Rasmussen and Gallup have been having monthly polls saying something to the effect of, "If the presidential election were today, who would you vote for: Republican Candidate or Obama." In the polls Obama has been losing (or tying) to a 'generic' candidate from the Republican side. In head-to-head match ups, Obama hasn't been doing all that well against Romney or Perry but does well against others. Since Romney, Perry and Cain are the front-runners at this time, I think Obama is going to have a harder time defending his position. I think the interesting thing to consider is the people polled are saying, "We don't give a fuck who the Republican is... as long as it's not Obama!" Don't forget how the, "We don't give a fuck as long as its not Bush" played into Obama's election back in 2008. I'm fairly confident that Obama will be out of the White House if he can't pull his economy together; a couple terrorist slayings and some unorganized wall street protests aren't going to be enough for him this time around... at least that's what I'm hoping.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... dates.html


I think it's cute when people think any change in the guard...be it from dem to republican, or vice versa will change anything. Ron Paul is the only legitimate Republican candidate, but of course the Republicans are never going to man up and nominate him. He's too radical and they are handicapped by conservative dogma so any candidate they choose needs to make sure he can play to the religious right.

Anyway, to bring this back on topic. I really enjoyed reading Huntsman's article about foreign policy and think that's the exact thing we need to be doing. However, it won't change. Many people, Republicans especially, love a huge military and would rather overlook all of its wasteful spending while focusing on any spending they deem to be "handouts" (Medicare, Welfare, etc.).


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 Post subject: Re: I disagree with Jon Huntsman on some issues
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:19 pm  
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Mns wrote:
You know, I never really got why people insist on rubbing in the fact that Ron Paul is a doctor every time they mutter his name.

Is it an attempt to make him seem more legitimate?


Yeah dude, don't you remember that time we all voted for Barack Hussein Obama, Esquire?

Oh wait.


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