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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:24 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
If we really cared about letting the strongest survive, we'd let all the weak die...or at the very least prevent them from procreating.


The definition of "strongest" needs to be reexamined. It's not the guy with perfect vision, good hearing, and the ability to sprint a straight mile. That we can solve biological failings with technology/medicine changes "strongest" to "most intelligent."

Granted, this does not address the issue you raised with respect to the mentally retarded.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:55 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
You can still procreate and increase the chances of having a retarded kid.


Two mentally retarded parents produce mentally retarded children at the same rate as two "normal" parents.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:00 pm  
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whats with the quotations around normal?


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:23 pm  
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Dvergar wrote:
Azelma wrote:
You can still procreate and increase the chances of having a retarded kid.


Two mentally retarded parents produce mentally retarded children at the same rate as two "normal" parents.



Depends on the disease/condition that is causing the mental retardation.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:32 pm  
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By that logic, there's no difference between what makes an amoeba decide to move its psuedopod and what makes a human decide to move its foot.


Stimulus/response situations are fairly comparable for most organism...humans may move for reasons outside the normal range of stimulus/response, but that motion is guided by a conscious decision...intelligence. Human evolution may now be shaped by intelligent choices humanity makes, but what came before was purely accidental if you rule out the possibility of some intelligence shaping it.

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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:38 pm  
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mazeltov wrote:
Dvergar wrote:
Azelma wrote:
You can still procreate and increase the chances of having a retarded kid.


Two mentally retarded parents produce mentally retarded children at the same rate as two "normal" parents.



Depends on the disease/condition that is causing the mental retardation.

Beat me to it.

Most mental illnesses are genetic in nature, so if you've got Down syndrome and you fuck a girl with Down syndrome, the chance that your baby is going to develop Down syndrome will be much, much higher. The same goes for a predisposition to alcoholism and general addiction, schizophrenia, and practically any other debilitating psychological disorder. If we were to start genetically engineering people, we'd have a much healthier society in that aspect, as few people would want to have any of the aforementioned illnesses. (Well, except alcoholism. I kinda like being able to drink everyone I know under the table.) There's a strong, highly credible argument for eugenics, but people seem to detest it on a moral basis. These people are fucking idiots.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:53 pm  
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Dagery wrote:
mazeltov wrote:
Dvergar wrote:
Azelma wrote:
You can still procreate and increase the chances of having a retarded kid.


Two mentally retarded parents produce mentally retarded children at the same rate as two "normal" parents.



Depends on the disease/condition that is causing the mental retardation.

Beat me to it.

Most mental illnesses are genetic in nature, so if you've got Down syndrome and you fuck a girl with Down syndrome, the chance that your baby is going to develop Down syndrome will be much, much higher. The same goes for a predisposition to alcoholism and general addiction, schizophrenia, and practically any other debilitating psychological disorder. If we were to start genetically engineering people, we'd have a much healthier society in that aspect, as few people would want to have any of the aforementioned illnesses. (Well, except alcoholism. I kinda like being able to drink everyone I know under the table.) There's a strong, highly credible argument for eugenics, but people seem to detest it on a moral basis. These people are fucking idiots.


Genetic in nature does not equal hereditary. The majority of Down syndrome cases are not inherited from down syndrome parents. It is usually caused by an error during pregnancy.


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 Post subject: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:54 pm  
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Let's just do away with autistics for starters. Then we can live free of 12 year old boys sitting in their bedrooms obsessing over quantum physics for hours on end while his 'normal' brother obsesses over his kills/deaths ratio on Halo. Hmm.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:28 pm  
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I've been looking after an autistic kid for the past 9 or so years and he's one of the nicest people on the planet.

I'd much rather get rid of the sperglords, who try to justify their social retardation with an actual mental disability. I'm pretty sure that 95% of the people who claim to have Asperger's don't have it, kind of like how probably 90%+ of kids who are on Ritalin don't have ADD.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:37 pm  
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My sister works in special education and was telling me the story of this family.

This man and this woman have 3 kids. This man and this woman are both pretty low functioning and slightly retarded according to my sister (who has met them during parent/teacher conferences).

One of their kids is "normal-ish" just not very smart. The other two are extremely low IQ and have various communication issues. They keep having kids though (I guess the woman is pregnant).

My sister's like, "these people should not be procreating." I tend to agree with her.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:07 pm  
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haha I like that last one :P
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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
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Mns wrote:
I've been looking after an autistic kid for the past 9 or so years and he's one of the nicest people on the planet.

I'd much rather get rid of the sperglords, who try to justify their social retardation with an actual mental disability. I'm pretty sure that 95% of the people who claim to have Asperger's don't have it, kind of like how probably 90%+ of kids who are on Ritalin don't have ADD.


I'm genuinely curious how you fit me into this.


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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:30 am  
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Aestu should like this one:

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 Post subject: Re: Some Snarky Images for the Haterz
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I read Calvin and Hobbes as a child. I liked it a lot, and it definitely remains a strong influence on my thought processes, values and personality.

It also gave me the idea to set up a lemonade stand. But it went a bit differently for me than Calvin.

Growing up in Sacramento, I cultivated a collection of citrus trees. We had oranges, kumquats, grapefruit, etrogs, pink lemons, and something called a Buddha's Hand. Of course we also had several good old fashioned Meyer lemon trees that produced far more fruit than we could use. We would make curd, but there was still a lot left over.

So, when I was six years old, I decided to set up a lemonade stand.

I intended to charge a dollar a glass. My mom said it was a bad idea, nothing good would come of it, it wouldn't sell, I'd get kidnapped from our quiet suburban neighborhood, etc. I ignored her and went about making the lemonade. I dragged my Fisher Price work table down to the curb.

I earned about a hundred dollars from stupid guys showing off for their bitches and giving me big bills for a glass, just to show that they could.

"Oh, so you made some money, Ethan."

At the end of the day, I cleaned up the things.
Some angry children torture small animals for fun. What I did was different.

A while back I had dragged my Fisher Price picnic table around to the side of the house, a narrow passage about four feet wide between fence and house, lined with plants and leftover rocks and pebbles. I had propagated some mint plants there. I bought some cactus at the store, and played around with increasing their numbers through clonal propagation, and grafting them with toothpicks, turning few into many and augmenting them with parts from other cacti. I found the feeling of cultivation and control somehow gratifying.

I also bought a huge quantity of iris rhizomes from RORIS, an iris plantation in the Sacramento countryside. (I'm told it has been turned into a housing development. This makes me very sad.) Those, too, I propagated and increased through budding. Through elementary school, I sold the clones for $5, then $10, each, making a significant profit.

I haven't seen the house where I grew up in almost a decade. Irises are hardy and well-acclimated to the arid climate, dense clay, and low water table of Sacramento. I'd assume the iris mounds are still where I left them, unattended, probably vast in number by now.

The family would now and then go visit Cal Expo for the State Fair. We could actually bike there; our house was at the 13th mile on the local trail; the exit for Cal Expo was at the 5th mile. The bike trail ran along an actual wilderness area. We would see rattlesnakes, jackrabbits, mountain lions, egrets, deer, geese, ducks, even golden eagles. That much, at least, Calvin and I had in common in our upbringing.

At Cal Expo, in 1996 I believe, General Motors showed off the EV-1, the prototype electric car. Everyone was very impressed, including me. They gave us glossy pamphlets and goodie bags. General Motors didn't like the exuberant reception and onslaught of frantic phone calls asking where they could buy one, so they killed the program. Ten years later they came to the government begging for handouts.

In the other direction lay the Nimbus fish hatchery, at the 20th mile mark. A highly functional but sadly overlooked facility, made of cinder blocks and huge slabs of concrete back during the Great Depression, there were enormous troughs of rainbow salmon spawn, lined with five-cent candy dispensers that distributed fish pellets. Throw the pellets to the fish, they would go into a frenzy. I never enjoyed fishing - did not see the point - but I did enjoy throwing food to the creatures and watching them jump for the pellets I threw.

Very few people visited the hatchery; the premises were usually deserted. I found this strange because the appeal, to me, seemed much greater than Chuck-E-Cheese, which I hated. I thought it was very strange and sad that the government wasn't in the business of building such nice facilities anymore, especially since everyone else seemed to enjoy catching the rainbow salmon.

I didn't realize it at the time, but this kind of extreme divergence in social preferences and unhesitating willingness to do what pleased me irrespective of what most people happened to like would develop into a defining quality in my personality.

Occasionally my family would go see the Fourth of July parades. It was, after all, the day before my birthday.
I don't want to ever return home to the town where I grew up by any means but a chariot.


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