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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:25 am  
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Usdk wrote:
Don't forget the tax breaks for hiring a certain amount of women, minorities, etc.


You might want to forget about them, because they don't exist.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:24 pm  
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um yeah, they do. quotas exist.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:40 pm  
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I don't think he's questioning the quotas. I think he means that tax breaks for those don't exist.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:46 pm  
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buisnesses get incentives for hiring X amount of minorities and women.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:48 pm  
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http://www.wolterskluwer.com/Press/Late ... p2011.aspx

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Women entrepreneurs looking to add to this trend by starting their own businesses should be aware that we have special financial programs, tax breaks, and business assistance available to them. Women-owned businesses looking for a loan will find that there are certain programs developed by the Small Business Administration (http://www.sba.gov) to help secure funding. Women-owned businesses may qualify for certain tax advantages as long as the ownership is 51 percent female.


http://www.ehow.com/how_8060183_become- ... iness.html

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Becoming a registered woman-owned business can be the difference between a business' success or failure. Registered woman-owned businesses receive valuable resources to help them grow...

...The certification makes a business eligible to compete for federal, state and local government contracts and grants it access to supplier diversity and procurement executives at major corporations and government agencies. A certified business also receives free educational, mentoring and training programs, access to the WBENC network, eligibility for the Dorothy B. Brothers Scholarship and national recognition as a WBE member.


Bam. That's victimization. "You stand an increased chance of losing if you are not a woman." "If you have boobs, you get free stuff, if you have a dick, you don't, but have to compete head-to-head against those that do, whose free stuff is paid for with the taxes you pay."

Dvergar is either ignorant or brainwashed or both. He says one thing, the facts say something else. What is really the kicker is how he talks down to people even though he's provably ignorant and wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:40 pm  
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I said there are no tax breaks for hiring women and minorities based on their sex/race. That is true. I said nothing regarding woman-owned businesses, you're straw-manning.

Likewise when the argument was alimony (and I was sure to be specific of the argument) and you were shown to be wrong, you changed the subject to act as though the argument was about custody instead (you being the general opposition this time, not Aestu specifically).

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either ignorant or brainwashed or both


Funny you should use those words because:

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I don't think he's questioning the quotas. I think he means that tax breaks for those don't exist.


Actually, I am questioning the quotas, because they don't exist either. They're right-wing rhetoric trotted out in the early 90s to scare white people.

Quotas could be used in specific cases of hiring racism (SC: US v Paradise) , but were ruled unconstitutional when used to correct a perceived imbalance (SC: Richmond v. Croson)

Businesses often have diversity plans which may include efforts to hire a certain percentage of minorities, but that's entirely the decision of the private business.

But hey, you guys just keep spouting the same shit you've heard but never bothered to research.

p.s. nice google


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:52 pm  
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So you think that "diversity plans" don't involve quotas? How about minority scholarships? Are those fair too? HEY WE NEED MORE PEOPLE OF ARBITRARY RACE AND OR GENDER? It wasn't ok when it was white males. it's not ok when it's X/Y's. That's equality.

Don't forget the differences in domestic violence issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Against_Women_Act

even though half of all domestic violence is women beating men:
http://www.eworldwire.com/pressrelease/17670

not to mention that a man accused of rape is treated by society as guilty until proven innocent, you all might not remember the duke lacrosse bullshit but it was big news around here. Plus, almost half of all rape accusations are false.

http://www.mediaradar.org/research_on_false_rape_allegations.php

Frankly I'm surprised you haven't been called a white knight by aestu yet, dvergar. I'm sure its coming though.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
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Quota =/= statutory 51%?

And no, the fact that male alimony is theoretically possible doesn't change the fact that it's forbiddingly rare due to bias, just like blacks voting under Jim Crow. Being obtuse is not the same as proving something.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:21 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
So you think that "diversity plans" don't involve quotas?


Diversity plans aren't government mandated quotas.

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How about minority scholarships? Are those fair too?


Colleges (state funded institutions) don't give out scholarships based on race, private institutions are able to use whatever criteria they want to.

As to the rest of your unrelated diarrhea:

You should read the links you provide. You mention vawa, but offer no criticism of the act and show no understanding of what it does. Your ignorance becomes clearer when you mention men being abused, as if the fact that men are more likely to choose not to report abuse means we shouldn't offer mechanisms to protect both sexes.

Your rape statistics are also misleading, given that the link you provided didn't show 50% false accusations. This is without considering the estimated 60% of cases that are never reported to begin with.


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And no, the fact that male alimony is theoretically possible doesn't change the fact that it's forbiddingly rare due to bias, just like blacks voting under Jim Crow. Being obtuse is not the same as proving something.


Men are significantly less likely to ask for alimony, on top of the fact that there are less men who qualify. All you've done is make up percentages and claim bias with no support. Try harder.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:26 pm  
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So in other words, it's men's fault they don't ask the impossible?

You haven't cited a single fact in this thread (or most others) than a few court decisions that are irrelevant because they are easily circumvented through minor changes in wording. Everyone else has cited direct quotes from current and relevant documents and our own experiences.

Oh yes, and doing what most self-serving bureaucrats do when they're trying to make some disingenuous claim, officiously throwing around random terms and acronyms, instead of proving claims with facts and logic. It's a variation of the Chewbacca defense: random eclectic facts followed by a circular assertion.

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Colleges (state funded institutions) don't give out scholarships based on race


BS. See what I posted on page one. Whether you want to call it a "scholarship" or something else, it adds up to the same thing as women-owned businesses vs employment which is institutionalized bigotry and conveyance of wealth based on race/sex/ethnicity.

Besides that, many colleges have schools of "ethnic studies" or "black/womens/latino studies". The enrollment of those schools is overwhelmingly of that race and the faculty intensely and unapologetically hostile and racist.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:44 pm  
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from the article on VAWA(as if the title wasn't biased enough) it says the government is offering more money to investigate and prosecute violence acts against women.

not men, not everyone, just specifically women. thats fair and unbiased how?

and again the article i linked that you didn't read.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2011/10/05/north-carolina-courts-odd-interpretation-of-equal-protection-clause/

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North Carolina, it turns out, makes “[a]ssault[ing] a female” a class A1 misdemeanor, if the attacker is “a male person at least 18 years of age”; female-on-male, male-on-male, and female-on-female assaults are generally class 2 misdemeanors. This can translate into a substantial difference in sentencing — for instance, someone who has no prior convictions would face up to 60 days in jail for a class A1 misdemeanor, but only up to 30 days for a class 2. And the statute seems to be used often; searching for “assault #on #a female” & date(= 2010), for instance, uncovered 37 appellate cases just last year.


tell me how that's fair.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:00 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
So in other words, it's men's fault they don't ask the impossible?


You have yet to show a bias. Men are getting alimony. When more men ask for alimony, even more men will be getting alimony.

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BS. See what I posted on page one.


Nothing that you posted refuted my claim that state-funded colleges don't give out scholarships based on race.

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the faculty intensely and unapologetically hostile and racist.


Clearly generalizations are flawlessly logical. I took a few woman's studies courses in college, and two african-american studies (and a number of russian studies, electives are cake when you're an education major), I never saw racism, and the only hostility came out of actions of the past. My woman's studies prof was one of the nicest professors I had and was exceptionally un-biased when dealing with woman's issues.

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from the article on VAWA(as if the title wasn't biased enough) it says the government is offering more money to investigate and prosecute violence acts against women.

not men, not everyone, just specifically women. thats fair and unbiased how?


Because that's not the reality of it. There were programs that were funded to research violence against women (which at the time was worse and more common than it was now), just as there were and are male based programs. Again, the act worked to reduce violence against woman, but in every aspect of that violence (domestic, date, stalking) the act benefited men equally. No domestic violence case against a woman was thrown out because some provision of vawa didn't apply equally. No matter what the bill aimed to do, they couldn't skirt the 14th amendment.

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tell me how that's fair.


It's not fair, did the US SC refuse to rule on it?

Edit: And look at you USD, doing some reading and researching before just looking like a fool. This is a big day for you buddy!


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:04 pm  
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Whatever you say. This is pretty much a "what color is the sky" argument at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:07 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Whatever you say.


I accept your surrender.


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 Post subject: Re: Dumb article is dumb.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:09 pm  
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http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/24/the-feminists-guide-to-debate-tactics/

you're number 2.

Even though I'm not name calling or dicking around or anything like that, you still have to throw in that childish jab? I'm surprised I wasted my time discussing with you.


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