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What, to be unemployed and on state aid? If anyone is "not accepting" of that it is you.

And I think you would feel quite different if the shoe were on the other foot. You are not particularly intelligent or skilled; you are overly proud of what you have - if you were told to accept your "lot in life" I don't see you taking it with any more equanimity than you take any else of life's ups and downs.



They aren't. UNemployed.



Yes.

There's no such thing as free trade and there never will be. Foreign workers are cheaper only because their governments are willing to allow their people to suffer a level of neglect and abuse that civilized people would never tolerate.

Go read about life in Wuhan.



You are ignorant. Historical pendulums swing back and forth all the time. We are not the first declining nation to have reduced employment and industry. Sheltered people have been giving this same attitude of indifference for thousands of years in almost the same words thinking they've found something new when it's really just repeating old mistakes.

Go read a few of Cato the Younger's speeches, or re-read "A Modest Proposal".

"Adapt" really just means, "I got mine, so my brain has turned off. Until I don't got mine anymore."

How did Reagan put it? "A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours." It sums up the attitude here nicely.



If you think that corporations' only responsibility is to make profit for themselves and not be a part of making a better world, why don't you become a Communist? What is the point in advocating a system that even you claim isn't aimed at making a better world?

What, to you, defines a "social conscience"? Blood money?

How is that different than alms under feudalism?



...because corporations are pulling the strings.

"The government" is a tool. It has no preformed intentions. Corporations do, they have the intentions, they have the power.



From the Great Wall of China to the Internet, more is pretty invariably better.

If what you said is true that would contravene the principle of the free market which is that price directly equates to value.



Corporations are comprised of individual people.

The government has done a pretty damn good job. Clean Air Act? Civil Rights Act? Health and safety laws? Are you really going to say that would come to pass through private initiative?

General Motors? They fought efforts to get them to adapt tooth and nail. Now they're dead. Same with RCA, AOL, etc.



Bullshit. Lobbyists write the rules.



Kungen is stupid and wrong and so are you. If it's not working as intended then it's exploiting and actionable. You might as well argue you're entitled to walk off with anything that isn't nailed down.

Finally, Azelma, I'm going to point out, you're a nominally skilled individual who gets paid a fairly generous salary in a difficult economic environment. You realize, statistically, the chances of you being a bum by the age of 40 are pretty good. I truly wonder what you will think and say when that comes to pass.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

He'll be a damn sight better than some college dropout suicide waiting to happen.

Don't ever hate on someone for success when it comes from hard work and perseverence.

Will he? Will he really?

Azelma isn't a "hard worker" or "perseverent" by any extent of the imagination. I don't see a reason why he'd have his job over some Indian or Russian or Chinese or Greek guy willing to work twice the hours for half the wages.

There are people in this world - a lot of them - who have the skills to do what Azelma does, and would kill (literally) to get paid subsistence wages (room and board) to do it.

Azelma gets paid enough to go on dates, buy pot, video games, concerts, etc. You're a fool if you don't realize that there a lot of people who can and would - and someday will - do that same job without any of those perks.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Tell me Aestu, since you seem to know everything about me, right down to my work ethic (or lack thereof), what do I do, exactly?

You work in HR evaluating applications at a small business, an auto dealership, iirc. Correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: Usd, I'm not a dropout, although even I think of myself as one. I graduated.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I'm the Chief Financial Officer, and partner, at a small (now closer to medium sized...we've grown quite a bit ) business that helps connect prospective students with universities (primarily online, but we also work with brick and mortar institutions). I evaluated job applications, and conducted interviews, only twice. Once when I was hiring someone to be my assistant, and again when I was hiring someone to work in our marketing/content department (since they were taking over many of my responsibilities as the business grew and my time needed to be devoted more fully to finance/accounting).

I could go on and on about how our business does what it does. I could talk to you about the subtle nuances of internet marketing (aka SEO), or how to get a site ranked #1 in Google. I could show you my SAT and ACT scores, my AP English scores, my AP Latin scores...I could talk about my internships with billion dollar corporations while in college. I could show you the web sites I started in college that still generate revenue for me to this day. I could tell you that while attending a college preparatory high school I worked at Wendy's all four years and gave a percentage of every paycheck to my parents (since they were paying for my private schooling, they wanted to impress upon me the value of a good education by having me contribute as well).

I could do all this...but why should I? You've already had me pegged. I'm an unintelligent person with very few skills and no work ethic who just happened to get a good job, and the chances of me being a bum by the age of 40 are "pretty good," statistically speaking.

You're a very small person Aestu. I'd almost feel sorry for you if I wasn't sure that you like being how you are.

you did a multiyear stint at wendy's? i did mine at radioshack. i'm not sure what's worse, but my brother used to come home smelling of the fryer.

No matter how many times I washed my Wendy's uniform, you just couldn't get that smell out - it was awful. After I graduated high school they wanted me to go to college part time and be a manager, but I'd had enough of the fast food industry to fill two lifetimes

after working at a movie theater for two years, i didn't eat popcorn for six more.

Ok, go ahead. Tell me. Tell me what you do that couldn't be done by automated software (the same software that currently does credit checks and automatic digitization and evaluation of resumes), an Indian or Chinese graduate or poor American for half your wages, and a small fee to Google.

So you by your claim have what you do because...your parents were sufficiently well-to-do to afford private schooling and to pay your bills while you did unpaid internships. Is that your "hard work" and "perseverance" or just social bias in action?

I don't need to see your SAT/ACT/Latin scores to know that mine were better by a large margin. I don't say that to put myself above you, just to point out that you're priding yourself on mediocrity because the inbalances in the system have favored you. Past me there are millions of Chinese and Indian students whose level of skill and discipline would absolutely shit on us both. More importantly, they are willing to accept a far lower standard of living than either of us, and their governments are willing to let their countrymen suffer rather than force the comfortable to make marginal sacrifices. That's what you call a pro-business environment.

You call yourself a "CFO". You might as well call yourself the priest of a two-pew parish, or a Mexican general; it adds up to the same thing which is a "buy-in" to the cult of the free market no matter how illusory your pretense of prestige and control. A CFO of a major corporation has a million in cash socked away and influence over public and private officials. You stand unwary before the onrushing wave; your complacent economic existence is more fragile than you dare contemplate.

You boast you associated with "billion dollar corporations". I guess that puts you on level with kids in Bangladesh making soccer balls for billion-dollar corporations. It's the same thing, isn't it, except for a bunch of irrational reasons you see this "association with billion dollar corporations" as a badge of honor instead of a hallmark of injustice, for a bunch of irrational reasons connected to your social and economic background. Do you really think that if you were born in a country with a government not so generous as ours your association with those "billion dollar corporations" would be an unpaid internship and not making widgets for pennies an hour?

The credit that fuels your job - college loans and credit card debt and state/federal debt for scholarships - WILL dry up within our lifetimes. Like it or not your job only exists because of the programs, policies and social values you claim to oppose.

When the credit and debt that fuels your job dries up, and when institutions outside America (publicly funded, of course) eclipse our own, what do you see yourself doing?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Careful, your anger and ignorance is showing. You have little experience in "real" jobs, and you're inviting failure if you try to outsource something like that.

A "small" fee to google is the reason why a good friend of mine just landed a nice bonus from consulting. The company was spending too much on garbage keywords suggested via the same methods you're promoting. A good portion of the money saved goes to her now. That was within the first week of reviewing their expenditures in marketing.

How inefficient, Aestu.


PS: Not disputing the collapse a blind man couldn't miss, but your skill set is extremely limited and in the days after any collapse, you'll be one of the first people faceplanting.

It adds up to the same thing which is that an increase in "efficiency" means fewer and bigger winners and more losers.



I don't deny that. I have a lot of hubris about a good many things but my comfortable and fortunate life is not one of them.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I love catching you mid-edit.

While you're not necessarily wrong, I think you're picking on Aestu because it's fun rather than any intention to prove a point. I'm happy that Azelma is employed. I also think that what his company does is completely and utterly useless. Why does it matter if Aestu's premises are flawed, when the entirety of what he's attacking (Azelma's business) has no value?

This is, as the higher courts say, harmless error.

I also contend that any college graduate can do what Azelma does, on the basis than any job-related skills he's got he learned during training and not at school. If memory serves, he was a business major, which is four worthless years of entry-level calculus and outmoded 90s-era economic concepts.

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I hear there are some pretty ungrateful kids out there that just take what they can (like college) from their parents and then shit-talk them for not 'caring' or for being 'bad parents'. Mad respect to Azelma for making an effort to pay his parents back (in some percentage) rather than take their generosity for granted.