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 Post subject: Re: More stupid crap to talk about
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:45 pm  
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Did you even bother looking at the percentage of GDP that each state contributes?


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 Post subject: Re: More stupid crap to talk about
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:50 pm  
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I did. The most populated states obviously were waaaaaaaaay at the top.

NC's still top ten, and per capita not far behind.


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 Post subject: Re: More stupid crap to talk about
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:45 am  
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...and those figures are bound to change to given that businesses and individuals are migrating away from states like NY and CA because of their tax and regulatory structures.

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 Post subject: Re: More stupid crap to talk about
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:09 am  
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...and those figures are bound to change to given that businesses and individuals are migrating away from states like NY and CA because of their tax and regulatory structures.


Oh really? So what, Wall Street or Silicon Valley are going to set up shop in Topeka? Do you think rich people who can live wherever they want would want to live in a state with a population in the tens of millions without air quality laws? Do you think it's practical for some state with no regulation, no infrastructure, no public spending, no international visibility, to support high-capital service industry?

How successful do you think businesses would be without public universities to educate a workforce and bread & circuses to prevent riots? Do you think the agribusiness firms are going to move to a state that doesn't build water projects?

The wealthy want to pit states against each other to provide worse and worse quality of life for their citizens while the wealthy live in enclaves and pay no tax, and the government pays for the services THEY demand for their businesses by issuing debt rather than taxing their gains.


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 Post subject: Re: More stupid crap to talk about
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:54 am  
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Oh really? So what, Wall Street or Silicon Valley are going to set up shop in Topeka? Do you think rich people who can live wherever they want would want to live in a state with a population in the tens of millions without air quality laws?


According to most of you, the rich/businessmen/republicans/conservatives don't have any interest in the environment because "profits are more important." You can't have it both ways. So which is it? Are you going to admit that the rich/businessmen/republicans/conservatives are concerned about and/or have a stake in the environment (but don't take their concerns to the extreme 'environmentalists' do and balance their concerns with other, usually economic, concerns) or did you just accidentally admit the obvious yet still think they could give less than a fuck and are just going to follow the money?

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Do you think it's practical for some state with no regulation, no infrastructure, no public spending, no international visibility, to support high-capital service industry?


Every state has all of those things to some degree, so your question is...well, stupid. It's akin to asking if it's practical for me to ride a unicorn to work, because the premise of your question involves something that doesn't exist. States like Texas, North Carolina, and Florida that would probably fall into your 'definitions' of those things are already doing it, so I don't see why it wouldn't be.

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How successful do you think businesses would be without public universities to educate a workforce and bread & circuses to prevent riots? Do you think the agribusiness firms are going to move to a state that doesn't build water projects?


Most college educations are a waste of time, as most people who aren't engineers or medical professions will admit. The modern American universities are little more than citadels of hypocritical close-mindedness and intellectual darkness. They teach little of true value (hello "women's studies" and other useless degrees), and chiefly serve to force young people and/or their families to borrow backbreaking sums from colluding banks for a (usually meaningless) piece of paper. Technical schools and/or on-the-job training are more efficient methods of education, and any industry seriously interested in developing a skilled work force could develop those tools even without the assistance of government. If anything, you're a prime example of what a waste a college degree can be. How much money/time/resources has been poured into your education into...what was it? Ancient Greek? Yeah, that's building a value in the workforce that employers are looking for almost as well as people who major in Black Lesbian Orphan Oppression in Chicano Queer Literature. You might as well have been an art history major, and you're trying to get us to buy into the idea that universities build value? Puh-lease.

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The wealthy want to pit states against each other to provide worse and worse quality of life for their citizens while the wealthy live in enclaves and pay no tax, and the government pays for the services THEY demand for their businesses by issuing debt rather than taxing their gains.


Since this complaint that "the wealthy pay no tax" (though I believe there was ample evidence to the contrary linked in previous threads) is already as standard a refrain as an "AMEN" after a prayer, I'm not sure what your point is. I'm doubly confused since you're stating that "the wealthy" are making states compete for a "worse quality of life," yet earlier in the same post say "the wealthy" would never leave states like CA because the regulations make things so pristine (explains all the forest fires...). Again, which is it? Your post reads like it was written by Janus after a night with Bacchus.

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 Post subject: Re: More stupid crap to talk about
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:12 am  
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Jubbergun wrote:
According to most of you, the rich/businessmen/republicans/conservatives don't have any interest in the environment because "profits are more important." You can't have it both ways. So which is it?


They want it for their businesses, not for themselves. If there were no clean air acts in CA, the wealthy would live elsewhere, just like they do now putting polluting industries in China.

They would live in states with zero tax in rural enclaves and expect urban centers to fund the services they want for their businesses by passing public debt.

Universities are lame in many ways but show me the high-capital business built without a very large number of university-educated personnel. New York and CA are the backbone of the national economy and federal budget, and Texas/Florida's teeming call centers and assembly plants would be irrelevant without the core state economies they support.

There's much good to be said about polytech institutes (which businesses don't want because that would involve taxation and proactive government) but those polytech institutes aren't going to support high-capital service industries such as finance and advanced research.

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Do you think it's practical for some state with no regulation, no infrastructure, no public spending, no international visibility, to support high-capital service industry?


Every state has all of those things to some degree, so your question is...well, stupid.


No, you. Seriously, no you.

What's the mass transit like in a Midwestern state? How high is their population density? How many foreign visitors do they get? How many foreign intellectuals and experts? What civic attractions do they have - shops and theaters other than Wal-Mart?

Hell...even nuts and bolts...how much energy and water production do they have? How many miles of road and rail do they have? What's their telecommunications infrastructure like? Who's going to pay for that expansion?

The high-capital draws in SF/NY aren't going to move to the Midwest or redneck South just because it's cheaper. Again I give the example of Austin vs Irvine.


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 Post subject: Re: More stupid crap to talk about
PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:31 am  
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Funny thing about college grads. Most of them are capable of leaving that town where they learned stuff to go to another where they use that learned stuff in a job.

And if you think rednecks are limited to the south, you're a closed minded fool.


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