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Flat taxes have always screwed the poor and helped the rich while bankrupting the government, what else is new?

Dvergar /
Quisling

Just letting some of the more clueless members in on some facts.

The facts don't matter to those who back the plan, they think the rich pay too much already and would gladly see the poor like themselves harmed if it meant the rich get richer. Until you cut to two years later and they're complaining about taxes, bankrupt governments and no services.

Dvergar /
Quisling

If the people in government really gave a shit about the government, they'd be voting in paycuts to themselves to prove how important this really is.

At LEAST as a goodwill gesture.

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Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

When you say "in government" who do you mean? Congressmen?

They already get paid almost nothing compared to almost anyone who's anyone in private industry - about 200k a year. CEOs/financiers/accountants/corporate attorneys get paid seven or eight-digit figures. Then you consider that congressmen have much less take-home pay because they have stronger conflict of interest laws requiring them to pay for much more out of pocket than those who work in private industry. For example, it's legal for someone in private industry to get bought lunch; for a congressman, it's a conflict of interest. Same for hotel rooms, housing, etc.

Some congressmen are personally wealthy; others are not. If Congress did what you said, it would slant government even more strongly in favor of the rich because they would be able to continue supporting themselves outside their government paycheck. Wealthy congressmen would be under no more pressure at all, while less wealthy ones - who are more likely to be well-intentioned individuals of humble background - would be the only ones pressured to reach a settlement. It would be a wholly unequal - and typically American - approach.

What you're describing is the kind of BS that sounds cool on headlines but in reality does nothing to change the situation. It wouldn't create a sense of urgency, it would only strengthen the hand of wealthy interests and encourage corruption.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Adding to Aestu's insight, which I agree with.. consider the amount of intense stress those involved in high level government deal with every single day. If anything, they should be paid more...assuming they actually did their fucking jobs and engineered solutions to extremely complex problems instead of just saying nope.avi to everyone else's suggestions because it will make X party look good.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

nope

so you're saying that congressmen and women make 200kish a year.

wouldn't that put them in the top %'s?

Yes and no. The curve gets very steep at the high end. There is a big difference between 200k a year and millions or tens of millions a year. Congressmen work very hard and it's an elected position. If money was what these people were after, they could and would be doing something else for way more.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

This is Cain related so I figured I'd put it here.

http://tucsoncitizen.com/arizona-hispan ... mmigrants/

Edit: And for those advocating how fair this plan is:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/war ... 46867.html

Dvergar /
Quisling

That first link is very disturbing. I hope Cain is allowed to say whatever he wants because at the rate he's going, he'll defeat himself.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

So...I read that whole article/editorial, and have no idea what offensive thing Cain is alleged to have said because it wasn't quoted. I guess I shouldn't be shocked by that kind of shoddy work in an article that uses "long-life' in the place of 'life-long," and the 14th Amendment is said to be part of the Bill of Rights (the original ten amendments to the Constitution).



I'd forgotten how the legitimacy of any proposed tax schemes revolves around how it directly impacts one solitary individual. Would it be better if we just had the 9-9-9-and-Warren-Buffet-Makes-Up-the-Difference plan?

Which also makes this a good time to remind everyone that if Warren Buffett doesn't think he's paying his fair share, he can make a voluntary contribution to the treasury any time he's ready...in addition to getting his company's back taxes paid in less than a decade.

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Jubber

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I feel the same way. When I first read the article I was expecting something about Cain talking about rounding up all illegals and putting them before a firing squad. I mean, the article makes it sound really bad. I decided to do a bit of searching and the best I can come up with is this:



I guess I don't see the harm in what he said since the only people that would die from the fence are the people who didn't heed the warning of signs or who try to sneak into the country illegally. He back-tracked though and said it was a joke... not sure if he intended it as a joke or not... but I'm just providing more information since the reliable sources some of you retards go to for news want to leave out half the damn story.