Azelma wrote:
How is "highest corporate tax rate in the world" a red herring at all? He corrected the dolt who said an untruth about corporations paying less in taxes.
It's a red herring because the high corporate tax rate is irrelevant to the contention that the many of the wealthiest (who own the corps) pay less of their income in taxes than many who are not wealthy.
Azelma wrote:
Anyway Aestu, where'd you get your views?
On what?
Azelma wrote:
I got mine from a variety of places:
-Observing what's going on in the world (newspapers, magazines, books, television)
-My personal experience, such as intricate knowledge of how much my company pays in taxes every year, how much our owners are taxed every year...how much I'M personally taxed every year
-Courses I've taken in economics
-My knowledge of what many of the Occupy Wall Street people are...which is people who don't really have ideas or solutions but just want to be "part of the movement."
Your company is a relatively small one and it is reliant on the system taxpayers and creditor subsidize. overall your experience as such is not comparable to the multinational corporations except insofar as you engage in the organized hypocrisy that is the American free market.
News. Magazines. Books. TV. Ok, all media under the sun? Be more specific. What works have you read? What news and magazines do you read?
Azelma wrote:
1. Too much blame on Wall Street, not enough on the government itself. Both had a hand in this whole financial mess and have a hand in any unfair tax advantages/national debt/etc.
You've been told why this is dumb. Wall Street chose this system and fights tooth and nail against changing it. Members of government have no stake in the status quo.
You presented the argument of of bribery which is a strawman because it doesn't happen, and you resisted changing your views about the USPS despite the factual and logical fallacies of your claims being repeatedly pointed out through informed analysis of your own experiences.
Azelma wrote:
2. Too many people who seem to be rather uninformed and come across as simply looking for handouts and/or blaming other people for them not being able to find work.
Hypocrisy for the reasons described above and elsewhere, amongst them that you are reliant on both handouts and social favor.
Azelma wrote:
3. Lack of a clear vision/goals, which is necessary for success, in my humble opinion
lol. Do you have a clear vision or goals, other than some vague idea of "success", and being rich because...you're awesome? Hypocrisy.
Azelma wrote:
Am I too tough on these unemployed people? Hardly...I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that if they have time to go sit in a tent for 8 hours a day that they could have time to pound the pavement and look for a job. I don't believe that they can't find work at all because I know I could find work if I needed to....and as we (particularly you) have established, I'm nothing special. So if a moron like me can have multiple job offers out of college, surely these people could get them!
Correct, you're nothing special. You also benefit from extraordinary social and institutional advantages. Which they don't.
Millions who want to work are out of work. Go look at Craigslist or the lines at job fairs. It's not a "will to work" issue. Would you make this argument during the Great Depression, too?
Azelma wrote:
Anyway, you don't read what I, or anyone else on this forum, actually write half the time...so my thought is, why waste the energy? You'll just attack everything I say without even considering what it is that I've said. I understand why, because you think I'm an idiot...and nothing I can write or tell you will ever get you to change your mind. You don't respect me, or my views, so why do you even care how they were formed?
Projection; I read almost every word on this forum. Just because some people are willfully ignorant doesn't mean that those who disagree are as well.
Azelma wrote:
That's the problem with discussing anything with you Aestu, and why I plan on stopping (as so many others on this forum have done). It's simply an exercise in futility. I can't debate anything with a person who thinks I'm nothing but an idiot. If there is no respect, there can be no debate. I like to discuss things because I like to hear new viewpoints, and yes I like to learn new things. Yes, I actually LIKE having my mind changed when I'm presented with new information. Your goals for debate are to simply be "right" and basically "win" everything and show how the person with whom you are debating is an "idiot."
You're dismissing a very compelling alternative explanation here...
Azelma wrote:
It's just not fun to discuss anything with you. I don't have a problem being shown where my thinking is flawed, I do have a problem being disrespected though.
This is really your problem right there. It's called intellectual decadence or mental laziness, depending on who you ask. Finding the truth inevitably requires the thinking of thoughts that are not pleasant...i.e., not FUN to think. A lot of people can't do that.