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 Post subject: My cab driver last night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:09 pm  
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Nice dude, but holy shit did he not no dick squat about anything at all. Was a good 20 mins so we talked about alot of stuff, mostly history things and absolutely everything he said was wrong. I just went along with it and stroked his ego cause it was midnight and dindt feel like having an argument with a dude who may or may not eb able to overcharge me. Quotes from him roughly:

"Napoleon conquered half the world, everyone else is just lucky his army got sick in russia"
No, napoleon royally fucked up there, and not to mention spain. He was a good general but a poor conqueror.

"The british brought all of the jews into palestine and dumped them there after ww2"
No, they actively controlled and constricted the flow of jewish immigrants. White paper.

"The british have royally fucked up the world more than any other people"
Arguable but take a look @ the legacy of british colonies. South africa compared to say, Mali. Jamaica to Haiti. Canada to Mexico. Sure they arent saints but the state of their former colonies should say something

"Ghandhi was a terrible person and I dont get why hes such a hero. He actively helped the british enslave indians and supported black slavery as well."
So many things wrong with this, not the last being that slavery was illegal in all the british empire by that time.


I guess I know why he is a cab driver.

TL;DR: cab driver doesnt know history, annoys quadtard


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 Post subject: Re: My cab driver last night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 1:34 pm  
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"Napoleon conquered half the world, everyone else is just lucky his army got sick in russia"
No, napoleon royally fucked up there, and not to mention spain. He was a good general but a poor conqueror.


He's right, you're wrong.

Napoleon was, unquestionably, one of the greatest minds to have ever lived, proof being that his civil reforms endure to this day. He changed the history of the world not only through conquest but political example.

Recently, a forensic examination was done of some unearthed corpses of Napoleonic soldiers. Autopsies indicate that, in fact, Napoleon's defeat was due largely to the cold. The Russians were, and are, notoriously incompetent soldiers. Further proof of this was their shoddy performance in the Crimean War and World War I shortly thereafter. Napoleon won battles and wars because he was simply an amazing general, one of the best the world has ever known.

If Napoleon had not invaded Russia he would have conquered Europe and eventually the world.

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"The british brought all of the jews into palestine and dumped them there after ww2"
No, they actively controlled and constricted the flow of jewish immigrants. White paper.


He's right, you're wrong - and you've been told that many of your bigoted views about the enduring conflict in Judaea are wrong. You have chosen not to educate yourself but instead persist in an ignorant and bigoted ideologically driven viewpoint.

After the Treaty of Versailles, England became committed to the policy of settling the Jews in Judaea. If you doubt this, go read A Peace To End All Peace which is a very well-researched and impartial analysis of the decision-making process. The Balfour Declaration was their way of washing their hands of a rapidly escalating situation driven largely by Israeli terrorism.

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"The british have royally fucked up the world more than any other people"
Arguable but take a look @ the legacy of british colonies. South africa compared to say, Mali. Jamaica to Haiti. Canada to Mexico. Sure they arent saints but the state of their former colonies should say something


South Africa was Boer (Dutch) not British. That said, you're right, he's wrong - the Spanish, French and Dutch were way more evil and destructive than the British.

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"Ghandhi was a terrible person and I dont get why hes such a hero. He actively helped the british enslave indians and supported black slavery as well."
So many things wrong with this, not the last being that slavery was illegal in all the british empire by that time.


I can't speak to his views on black slavery. I do know that he wanted to dismantle the Caste system which oppressed the largely dark-skinned Untouchables.

Gandhi is idolized today - and without question he was one of the greatest and arguably the most truly revolutionary men in history, a modern day Jesus Christ, by developing an ideology which directly competed with the force-based notions of power that have prevailed through the entirety of human history up to this point.

He was also a very bizarre person in many ways. His sexual views were extremely unnatural and definitely the product of repression. He opposed modernization to an extent that was totally unrealistic, he wanted India to remain a Bronze Age culture forever, instead of thinking how to implement modernization in a humane manner.

The guy was correct in that Gandhi was a much greyer character than he's usually made out to be.

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I guess I know why he is a cab driver.


Shrug, the CFO of a private school where I worked gets paid six digits and was a cab driver for many years. He still acts like it, too - very insecure, with an intense need for approval. Fwiw, this person was so stupid that he thought I was stupid. He would talk to me like a dog. I wasn't bothered by this because I saw him as so far inferior as to be unworthy of consideration. Besides, I got paid well.

The question I would ask you is, what makes you think you're better than a cab driver?

Also, what ethnicity was this cab driver? Was he East Indian?


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 Post subject: Re: My cab driver last night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:15 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: My cab driver last night
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:35 pm  
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Paper_of_1939

Yes the cold defeated that army undoubtadly, but saying "napoleon would have won if it werent for the cold but he's still a genuis" is idioitic. A genuis would have prepared for the cold, or if he had any foresight would have stalled his campaign and waited for the winter to pass until his army was properly prepared.

Yes he was a genuis, but he also had a couple grand fuck ups such as the russia campaign. Why would you invade this country and not plan in advance for the cold? Why would you move so far in when you knew your supply lines were stretched to the breaking point and you had no real method of retreat? Why would you continually try to force an engagement against an elusive foe whose every action until then showed that they would not fight. Why would you start a completely unnecesary conflict on your other border and do almost nothing to solve the problem practically.

He did some good civilly, but dont forget the incredibly backstep those reforms made for women. There are civil legacies from every government, that doesnt mean they are anything exceptional.

I find the Duke of Wellignton to be a much more admirable person than Napoleon. Yes Napoleon did "accomplish" more than the Duke but he also fucked up a whole lot more. He also caused a huge amount of suffering to a huge amount of people and set back france economically for decades as well as the immediate neighbors.


It WAS dutch, taken over by british later on.


I never said I was better than him, nor do I think I am. Simply put the explanation for that statement is how he came off: smug "i know so much more than you" and appeared to try to keep himself in willful ignorance. I cant convey the feelings I got from that guy accurately here or in the previously posted statements, but it definetly seemed like he was a person you would not want representing your company in a sales position, or working amidst others with differing views in an office or some other work envionment. There is nothing wrong with being a cab driver, it just seemed an apt position for this guy, who if it makes any difference and to settle your curiousity appeared to be either middle eastern or from northern india close to pakistan, but i couldnt say for sure. Definetly native born though.


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 Post subject: Re: My cab driver last night
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What I meant was, if Napoleon was such a genius, how come he didn't invent flu shots or jackets with a zipper or Intercontinental ballistic missiles. Noob should have googled the weather before going out to conquer the world.




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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14997664


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 Post subject: Re: My cab driver last night
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was it ghandi that opposed things like penicillin when his wife got sick, she died to a treatable disease, and then when he caught something treatable he was like bring on the penicillin?

maybe i got that mixed up with someone else.


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quadtard wrote:
I find the Duke of Wellignton to be a much more admirable person than Napoleon.


The two are not even comparable, and that you'd try to put Wellington anywhere near Napoleon's level of greatness makes it plain that you're from British Canada.

Aestu already said everything of value that there is to be said about your idiotic notions, so I won't bother adding anything else.


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Yes, one was responsible for the death of millions while the other was responsible for the death of tens of thousands.


I take the general view of history that the village priest who quietly goes through his life helping the other people should be more highly regarded than those great conquerors.


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quadtard wrote:
"Napoleon conquered half the world, everyone else is just lucky his army got sick in russia"
No, napoleon royally fucked up there, and not to mention spain. He was a good general but a poor conqueror.


He's right, you're wrong.

Napoleon was, unquestionably, one of the greatest minds to have ever lived, proof being that his civil reforms endure to this day. He changed the history of the world not only through conquest but political example.

Recently, a forensic examination was done of some unearthed corpses of Napoleonic soldiers. Autopsies indicate that, in fact, Napoleon's defeat was due largely to the cold. The Russians were, and are, notoriously incompetent soldiers. Further proof of this was their shoddy performance in the Crimean War and World War I shortly thereafter. Napoleon won battles and wars because he was simply an amazing general, one of the best the world has ever known.

If Napoleon had not invaded Russia he would have conquered Europe and eventually the world.

quadtard wrote:
"The british brought all of the jews into palestine and dumped them there after ww2"
No, they actively controlled and constricted the flow of jewish immigrants. White paper.


He's right, you're wrong - and you've been told that many of your bigoted views about the enduring conflict in Judaea are wrong. You have chosen not to educate yourself but instead persist in an ignorant and bigoted ideologically driven viewpoint.

After the Treaty of Versailles, England became committed to the policy of settling the Jews in Judaea. If you doubt this, go read A Peace To End All Peace which is a very well-researched and impartial analysis of the decision-making process. The Balfour Declaration was their way of washing their hands of a rapidly escalating situation driven largely by Israeli terrorism.

quadtard wrote:
"The british have royally fucked up the world more than any other people"
Arguable but take a look @ the legacy of british colonies. South africa compared to say, Mali. Jamaica to Haiti. Canada to Mexico. Sure they arent saints but the state of their former colonies should say something


South Africa was Boer (Dutch) not British. That said, you're right, he's wrong - the Spanish, French and Dutch were way more evil and destructive than the British.

quadtard wrote:
"Ghandhi was a terrible person and I dont get why hes such a hero. He actively helped the british enslave indians and supported black slavery as well."
So many things wrong with this, not the last being that slavery was illegal in all the british empire by that time.


I can't speak to his views on black slavery. I do know that he wanted to dismantle the Caste system which oppressed the largely dark-skinned Untouchables.

Gandhi is idolized today - and without question he was one of the greatest and arguably the most truly revolutionary men in history, a modern day Jesus Christ, by developing an ideology which directly competed with the force-based notions of power that have prevailed through the entirety of human history up to this point.

He was also a very bizarre person in many ways. His sexual views were extremely unnatural and definitely the product of repression. He opposed modernization to an extent that was totally unrealistic, he wanted India to remain a Bronze Age culture forever, instead of thinking how to implement modernization in a humane manner.

The guy was correct in that Gandhi was a much greyer character than he's usually made out to be.

quadtard wrote:
I guess I know why he is a cab driver.


Shrug, the CFO of a private school where I worked gets paid six digits and was a cab driver for many years. He still acts like it, too - very insecure, with an intense need for approval. Fwiw, this person was so stupid that he thought I was stupid. He would talk to me like a dog. I wasn't bothered by this because I saw him as so far inferior as to be unworthy of consideration. Besides, I got paid well.

The question I would ask you is, what makes you think you're better than a cab driver?

Also, what ethnicity was this cab driver? Was he East Indian?


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quadtard wrote:
Yes, one was responsible for the death of millions while the other was responsible for the death of tens of thousands.


I take the general view of history that the village priest who quietly goes through his life helping the other people should be more highly regarded than those great conquerors.


The village priest doesn't write the Napoleonic Code.


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Nor does he bring death and destruction to millions.

I'm sure the code helped the average villager tons.


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Nor does he bring death and destruction to millions.

I'm sure the code helped the average villager tons.


Considering the average villager had previously known nothing but exploitation by various monarchs, it did help the average villager tons.

I don't believe for a second you know what the Napoleonic Code is.


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If Napoleon was such a genius, how come he didn't invent flu shots or jackets with a zipper or Intercontinental ballistic missiles. Noob should have googled the weather before going out to conquer the world.



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Yes I do. I have done a lot of reading on napoleon and that time period in general. I am just not impressed anymore by world leaders who are revered for bloody massacres.


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