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Life, society, the economy, the government.



lol. Yes, yes they do.



You seriously believe that bribery doesn't happen in government? So what was the whole Blagojevich thing about? Let me know what you're smoking because that shit must be potent.



Says the guy who's being supported by his parents....

Besides, how am I reliant on handouts and social favor? Examples please.



I've told you my vision and goals - you chose to ignore it.




You're not special either. Also, assuming you didn't read anything I've written previously about my life and history, how have I benefited from extraordinary social and institutional advantages? Please be specific. For that matter, haven't you benefited from some social and institutional advantages? Didn't you grow up in Sacramento? Not exactly a ghetto place if you were able to have a garden and sell lemonade. I grew up in Philly across from two bars and living in a shitty 1 bedroom apartment with my mother and sister. Haven't your parents paid for your college education and supported you? Haven't you used your parents money to pay for your WoW subscriptions/server transfers? I had to take student loans which I am still paying off. Please...spare me the "you benefited from so much" when you didn't even bother to read about the poverty I grew up with or how many jobs I've held while getting my education. I would have given the world to live in sunny Sacramento selling lemonade to wealthy Californians.

"Pot, meet kettle."



Again, you assume so much. I think it's fun to be challenged. I don't think it's fun to be disrespected and insulted. Therein lies the rub.

Life and society

Nietzsche: makes the argument that the will to power is the foremost drive, and that the purpose of life is the exercise of one's will to power in the free expression of one's existence as an individual.

The Odyssey: an epic tale of a resourceful and cunning hero for whom getting there is truly half the fun

The Epic of Gilgamesh: mankind's most ancient legend, of how a great warrior sought - and found - the secret of immortality

Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic Age: about how a man of superhuman strength, intelligence and courage disdained women and almost conquered the world, only to die of a cold in his thirties

Tao Te Ching: a conservative, eastern philosophical work advocating individuality and harmony

Long The Imperial Way / All Quiet on the Western Front: about the petty brutality and hypocrisy of military life

Paradise Lost: a Christian epic poem about the nature of evil and the purpose of man's existence

Peloponnesian War: one of the greatest historical works of all time, about how human folly, moral corruption, demagoguery and hubris brought down a great empire; deep analysis of the nature of power and its effects on strong and weak alike

Utopia: analysis of the nature of a "free" state

Plutarch: analyses great Romans according to the ideals of that society

The Giver: children's book about individuality and the human spirit

Sherlock Holmes: about a brilliant, solitary, chronically depressed individual who second-guesses "the experts"

The Guns of August: about how the stupidity and arrogance of "the experts" resulted in the useless deaths of tens of millions of Europeans

The Torah: a Jewish epic about courage, loyalty and integrity

Arrowsmith: about an idealistic young doctor's search for moral and scientific truth

Disraeli: about England's only Jewish Prime Minister and the means by which he wormed his way into the heart of corrupt Victorian society

The Count of Monte Cristo: the tale of how a dispossessed young man is betrayed by his friends and wrongfully imprisoned; he escapes, acquires great wealth, infiltrates decadent French society, rewards his few friends and brings down terrible vengeance upon those who did him wrong

Overall, I have come to value freedom, integrity and moral courage above all else.

The economy

The Worldly Philosophers: about different economists and their views on life, generally slanted towards a moderate socialist viewpoint

The Grapes of Wrath: about the plight of Okie immigrants to CA during the Great Depression, the indifference of mainstream society and the greed of business owners

Napoleonic Ideas: a book by the nephew of the great man himself about his economic and political ideas

The Mississippi Bubble: about how mass hysteria caused one of the world's great financial bubbles, and the settlement of the American Midwest

Unsafe At Any Speed: about General Motor's efforts to destroy Ralph Nader by means illegal and even violent, rather than fix the problems with their products that would ultimately bankrupt the company

Livy's History of Rome & War Against Hannibal / Tacitus' Agricola & Germania: how greed, ambition, courage and sacrifice made and unmade the Roman Empire

Theodore Rex: about an upper-class American whose life was forever changed by a chance meeting with a Jewish socialist named Samuel Gompers

A Distant Mirror & The Gilded Century: about the Dark Ages, a time of oppression, superstition, chaos and disorder - and how mankind slowly freed itself from the grips of ignorance and squalor

The Arms of Krupp: about the greed, arrogance and corruption of a German arms manufacturer

The Third Man (movie): a brutal critique of the callousness of American business

The Jungle: about the plight of American immigrants and the greed and exploitation of American business

There have been many, many more books that influenced me (as a child I read all the National Geographics between 1960 and 2000, which is still the source of about a third my total knowledge base) but I would say it is those books that have most strongly shaped my views.



How?


That's one very marginal case and it ended with prosecution and termination of career. Compare that with the innumerable white collar criminals that get off with a slap on the wrist if even.



I already did. If not for the state propping up the education bubble via student loans, subsidies to firms that give loans, and public overspending on education, your job would not exist.



You went to a private school and your family was well enough off to pay for your internship.

The difference between you and I is, I don't deny the advantages of my birth and blithely say everyone who isn't as fortunate is lazy.



I didn't assume anything. In this very thread you keep contradicting yourself, or being proven wrong then continuing to believe the disproven anyway. You invite contempt through the contradictions and stubborn fallacies and laziness of your thinking.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

A private school that I helped pay tuition for....and:








Thank you for proving that you most certainly don't read everything that is written here...and if you do, you simply choose to ignore those statements that don't fit with your assumptions and prejudices. It's just not worth it to argue with someone who won't even read what you have to say. Besides.....

Your parents are not a loan agency. They weren't wagering on you paying them back, they had the money to spend which is far more than can be said of most. You're paying your conscience, not them; it's a rationalization plain and simple. A paid internship is not enough to live on, don't give me that.

Again you're going in circles. We're not talking about Somalia, we're talking about millions of unemployed Americans you insist are "lazy" and your conviction that somehow you will "always succeed" (page 6 or something)

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

a lot of those unemployed are lazy.

or, in the case of the old mother fucker begging on a corner near where i used to work, they make more money begging on the corner than working a wage job.

that old guy is funny because he's begging for money right under a "help needed" sign.

Damn me for being a knee-jerk reactionary. I've been doing some reading about the protests between trouble tickets, and the more I read, the more I think the only two things coming between #OWS and The Tea Party is that, due to poor communication, no one realizes how many in the #OWS crowd is pissed about pretty much the same things as the Tea Party people, and the fact that neither group would want to be affiliated with the other for cultural/political/generational reasons. The only difference I can really see is that The Tea Party blames government while #OWS blames business...why can't we as Americans find that middle ground and realize that it's not one or the other but the collusion of the two that has created our most (seemingly) unsolvable problems?

Here's one of the better articles I read from an "outsider" that entered the crowds to talk to people...

http://streetbonersandtvcarnage.com/blo ... s-the-ows/

I was on Fox News last night defending Occupy Wall Street. There is a tendency amongst us old dudes to trivialize youth culture and say things like, “They don’t know what they’re doing,” and / or, “What they’re doing won’t change a thing.” It takes a little bit of restraint to pull back and go, “Oh yeah, I was young too once.”

I went down to Wall Street before the taping carrying a sign that said “Fuck the CEOs but…” and a shirt that said, “Commies aren’t cool.” I was frustrated with the lack of anger at Obama and the $14 trillion he’s spent on his buddies mess we’re in. As far as I’m concerned, we are living in a kleptocracy where the president can hire the chairman of GE to run his Board of Job Competitiveness who then gives GE their best year ever — tax free. There’s this myth that the rich could easily bail us out of this mess but:

A. There aren’t enough rich people to do so. $14t requires 14 thousand billionaires and even if that many rich people did exist, emptying their bank accounts costs jobs. As Bernard Mandeville once said, “Luxury employed a million of the poor.”

B. Why should they? If Obama is a shopaholic who buys a $10,000 Birkin bag, does Warren Buffet have to cover it? All that does is reward the shopaholic and make him want to spend more. Why aren’t the protestors more mad at Big Government for allowing Big Business to run wild?

However, after talking to people down there, I got the distinct impression they got that. They understood that Big Business didn’t act alone. The Tea Party has already covered the problems with Big Government. The people I spoke to were there because John Thain got a $10m bonus for running Merrill Lynch into the ground. Good. Sure Wall Street bonuses represent a fraction of civil servant abuse (60m 30m Americans work for the gov’t and they make about $40k a year in bonuses alone), but just because a pickpocket is married to a bank robber doesn’t mean the pickpocket isn’t a criminal. These people were out there talking to each other, listening to what the other person has to say and enjoying the debate. A dude in a Crass shirt scoffed at my Commies shirt and an hour later, he was arguing with Gee Vaucher (without knowing who she was) because she was angered by him having The Communist Manifesto on his table. They had at it and some old guy who had lived under communist rule jumped in with her. In the end, they all worked it out and left shaking hands. As Ian Mackaye said, “At least they’re fucking trying.”

The protestors are criticized for not having a clear solution to the problem. Did you know how to solve complex economic issues when you were 20? I’m an old genius and I barely have it figured out. I think the lack of a specific plan is what’s great about this. They’re just there to say they’re angry. What’s the matter with that?

At the very least, these demonstrations mark a point in history where people showed they were mad at the likes of John Thain. When he goes out in public and tells people who he is, he’ll be aware that his kind are not well liked. Used car salesmen are aware of how they are perceived and have to qualify themselves with, “I know we’re seen as slime-balls but….” Now history has CEOs marked as used car salesmen. That’s nothing to scoff at. As Eugene Robinson said in the Washington Post yesterday, “Occupy Wall Street and its kindred protests around the country are inept, incoherent and hopelessly quixotic. God, I love ’em.”

The people at Fox News mostly agreed with me, by the way, and I’ll post that video shortly.

-GAVIN McINNES

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Pleading victimization while being interviewed by mass media. lol.



If the government is the body, business is the brain. Cutting off the hand won't fix what requires a shot in the head.



Hmm. If the President were Bush would Fox be so critical?



This sort of black-and-white imagery is what is wrong with our political system. It doesn't work that way. No one is seriously suggesting paying off the debt through mass appropriation. Inreasing taxes on the rich isn't the same of ringing them dry.

The poor and middle class are exhausted, and the rich - as everyone is fond of pointing out - own the overwhelming supermajority of this country. If anyone can pay, it's them, simply because they owe everything that COULD be used to pay.



That is a LIE. What "employed" most people in this country wasn't the rich...it was the middle class, the mass-produced goods that uplifted American quality of life for generations. From the Winchester rifle to the Model T to the Apple, these products weren't for the rich, they were for the masses.

Tell me how many were employed making the Rolls-Royce or ENIAC. What this guy is really hawking is a vision of modern serfdom where every rich man has "thousands" of dispossessed serfs to satisfy his whims.

How many people did Stalin employ on his dachas? How many people followed Saddam around? "Luxury employs a thousand" seems pretty funny.

In short, two words: Marie Antoinette. Point invalid.



Because Big Business is the brain controlling the hands.

People talk about Obama being a "big spender". It's GOP imagery that's been kicked around since the time of JFK. They never talk about what that "big spending" supposedly is.



Civil service abuse might as well not exist given how much it costs compared to other countries and white collar crime and overspending. Also, I'd like to know what percentage of those he's counting as on the govt payroll are military or paramilitary. Add in police, fire and other core services and how many are left? hmm.

Why is working for the government suddenly more a crime than working for business?



This I agree with in principle but it's not really in good faith. The truth is, Fox and what it represents isn't part of the problem, it IS the problem, and attempts to associate itself with a mass movement is really just a grab for legitimacy - patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.



lawl

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I agree with the cause, I disagree with how ambiguous and non-directional it is. Ok..cool. A worldwide movement of people sitting on street corners holding up signs.

Lay out your terms. Establish a hierarchy of leadership. Maybe make a website, if there isn't one? Pursue celebrity and corporate endorsements and sponsorships. Contact advertisers with mutual interests and attempt to obtain pro bono air time / print space.

There is a shit ton of things they could do to be more productive than RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

Unless they take at least some of those steps, it's still just a mob, and not a movement.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

http://news.yahoo.com/former-top-wall-s ... 19791.html

Shit continues to get realer by the minute.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

While we're on the subject, here's something relevant to police excess at various Occupy movements.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

Being a veteran doesn't make you above the law, and he's a civilian now anyway.

"Police projectile" that can hit with enough force to crack a skull would have to be either a rubber bullet, or a really good hit with one of those gas canisters. Neither of which are supposed to be aimed at a person's head.

I watched the video. What was excess wasn't the veteran getting hit(or so far as I could tell, I never actually could see WHAT hit him or how.) but when the cops HAD to have seen the guy bleeding and down, then the crowd comes in to help and they catch a flash bang for their trouble.

So what the hell is your point?

He got shot in the head for no reason. There's no evidence he broke the law. The Constitution guarantees freedom of assembly.

What, he got shot in the head, therefore he broke the law? You're a fucking Nazi is what you are.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

For being so gung-ho for the troops, you sure are willing to throw them under a bus whenever they do something you disagree with (attend this rally).

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