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The scary thing is how few people aren't overqualified for working at McDonalds. I can't blame 'the 1%' for that shit.

Most of them aren't overqualified for it either.



You must be retarded. How are these hypothetical liberal arts graduates supposed to "man up," exactly? Minimum wage, coupled with living expenses and the interest rate on student loans, means they'll be in debt for the rest of their lives if they work retail. If anything, it's better for them to be unemployed because they have no assets to seize and can't ever have a debt collector come calling since they're totally indigent. If they worked McDonalds, they'd have their wages garnished by the collecting agency.

Do you not understand how truly and utterly fucked the system is? It makes more sense for these people not to work than it does for them to take your shitty, worthless advice and work minimum wage. The only responsible way out of the situation is employment commensurate with education level, which is suddenly impossible now.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

I'm saying "work minimum wage shit jobs while looking for something better" - not "work minimum wage shit job for the rest of your life"

My buddy from high school graduated with a degree in philosophy. He worked at Max and Erma's (being a waiter) for almost a year after graduating while he hunted for a better paying job. He ended up getting hired at Chase Bank, got promoted, and is now a personal finance consultant making decent money.

He got hired because he worked hard and instead of whining about the system...manned the fuck up and figured out a way to make it.

I just don't buy that there are no options for these people other than not working and drowning in their debt. There is always a way out.

1.) Spend money on a "for dummies" book and teach yourself Java basics.
2.) Drop in on some writing seminars and learn how to write. Offer to do freelance blogging work online...you can work from starbucks or use a friends internet.
3.) It costs $10 to register a domain name, and less than $100 to host a site for a year. Start making sites and learn about adsense and affiliate marketing. Look at what keywords offer the highest CPC and make a site built around it.
4.) Stash away some savings and use it to attend a few trade school courses and learn about being an auto mechanic.
5.) Apply for work at grocery stores (I just heard that people who work at Trader Joes can earn 40k a year plus just starting out, with nice benefits too).
6.) Do what my other friend is doing...moved to Colorado to work/live at a ski resort for 7 months while he plans his next move. They cover room/board and give him a stipend
7.) Learn how to drive a truck, get your license, become a trucker
8.) Music major? Freelance music lessons. Post ads on craigslist to find clients...costs about $25
9.) Become a banker
10.) Become a bartender (they can make some serious money)
11.) Are you an attractive woman? Become a gogo dancer or club girl (seriously, it's a thing, and they get paid for it)
12.) Like cars? Become a used car salesman...it's easier than you'd think.
13.) Learn about being a pharmaceutical rep - they generally like people who have some sales experience, but you don't need to since they will train you
14.) Join the army
15.) Learn web design - offer to freelance
16.) Peace corps
17) Teach for America
18) Move out west, become a ranch hand
19) Take a typing course or apply for a secretary job
20) Become a security guard
21) Have a cute girlfriend with few morals? Set up an amateur porn web site (I'm totally serious, you can get PAID)
22) Become a tattoo artist
23) Like animals? Work at PetCo, work on your zookeeper license, walk dogs
24) Babysit, become a nanny, basic childcare
25) Mexican? Landscaping.
26) Fluent in multiple languages? Move abroad and teach English (I currently have two friends teaching english to kids in South Korea)
27) Become a fireman
28) Learn construction - join a construction business
29) Apply to UPS or FedEx...people in their warehouses can make decent money and get benefits
30) Become a Teachers Aide (not the highest paying, but there are basic benefits...my sister was able to help my cousin who had a shitty liberal arts degree get this type of job)
31) Tutor
32) They have several Casino dealer schools in all the new cities that are getting Casinos (Chicago, Philly, etc.) - become a dealer.

Should I go on? There are always options. If I was in their situation...I'd be doing one of the above, not sitting in a tent complaining about everything.

Sometimes I guess it's just easier to make excuses though.

A college degree does not and should not guarantee you a job.

Sorry.

I don't think I ever got around to telling you what a moronic comparison it was. Santa Claus is based on a real person, but the modern magical idea of Santa Claus is, unlike God, something that can be proven to be imaginary. This is only because of the "terms" that define Santa Claus.
*He lives at the North Pole--we can satellite image (or travel to) the North Pole and see NO ONE lives there, much less a fat man in a red suit with a factory complex and a million elves.
*He visits all the children of the world and leaves them gifts--demonstrably untrue also. I shouldn't even have to explain why.
*He travels the world in a single evening in a magical sleigh--maybe the magic of the sleigh would keep us from seeing it, but I'm pretty certain that except for the NORAD tracking gag that they do every Christmas, no one has tracked a flying sleigh on Christmas Eve.

That's three strikes, Santa Claus is out. I'd have said the same about unicorns, except that there really aren't any terms as solid as the ones that define Santa for magical horned ponies.



I think we all agree that every single thing you cited is fucked up and wrong. The difference is, some of us don't see doing the exact same shit we've been doing for the last 60+ years (GUMMINT CAN FIX IT!!!) being the answer to the problem, especially when the tool you want to use is one of the primary sources of our problems.

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Jubber

Your Pal,
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AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Why can't Santa have a cool cloaking field that makes it so we can't see or ever detect him, same for his sled that obviously travels faster than light etc. Of course this is all ridiculous as is a sky fairy that floods the world and gives a shit what you do with your life, who you choose to fuck and whether or not you eat your ham with cheese and where polyester.

The only difference between Santa and god is that you choose to be ignorant of the fact that they are essentially the same.

I'm not saying that it does or should. I'm saying that everyone who's pissed was fed bullshit for years about how they would never be employed without one.



If we can all agree that it's fucked up and wrong, why is it a national disaster that merits militarized police units when some people are mad enough about it to protest? If it's fucked up and wrong, let people bring it to light. Let them assemble and demonstrate. Don't tell them to suck it up, to let it happen, to be exploited for low pay to make up for the lies that others told them.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh

I fully agree with this.

They got bamboozled. I hope they get their due. Still, not having a backup plan is a fool's endeavor, as i know to my cost.

They are assembling and demonstrating but exercising that right doesn't mean they can storm banks, block traffic, vandalize and/or destroy property, act in lawlessness, throw liquids and objects at law enforcement, deny emergency services to people that need it within encampments, turn public parks and sidewalks into health hazards or deny the cities access when they come in to sanitize said health hazards. When they start acting fucked up and wrong (by doing any or all of the above) then, yes, the police should (and can) be called in to keep shit orderly and protect everyone else and their personal/public property.

Still, I don't understand how these guys are so 'victimized' because they may (or may not) have been told some stuff about being able to find a job when they graduate. It's no ones fault but their own for accepting the loans from the banks/government/schools. No one held a gun to their heads and said, "Take this loan and go to college before I put a bullet in your skull!" They're the ones that believed that college would secure employment for all during a near double-dip recession where unemployment is floating between 9-10% in most places, higher in some others. Everyone is feeling it in some way or another but these kids are mad because their lives didn't pan out the way they thought it would. Shit happens. Pick up the pieces and move on. They'll find a job whenever the economy recovers... assuming they have skills and knowledge that the markets demand; otherwise, yes, these guys will work shit jobs with expensive debts.


Oh, quit acting like you've ever cared about insurmountable and unsustainable debt. You've never cared when the government would dump hundreds of billions or trillions into social programs, compounding our unsustainable national debt while running record-high deficits, giving each individual (of every age, race, gender, religion or ability) a 'debt' nearing $50,000 (which, if you factor for households is much, much higher) -- which is forced upon all of us by Washington... but the moment some STUDENTS KNOWINGLY AND WILLINGLY ACCEPT LOANS (WITH INTEREST) to go to college and then they realize they can't find a job because the economy (or they... or their major) sucks then it's an issue of, "Oh, but they're in debt and they'll have to WORK HARDER DOING LOWER PAY JOBS to pay it off... boo-fucking-hoo." And you say some of us are stupid and backwards?

I gave approximately 32 examples of ways to make money and better your life (some were kind of jokes...but a lot of them were very clear options). Funny how Tuhl and others haven't responded.

It's tough to respond when there are no excuses left. These people could find jobs if they wanted to. They could figure it out. It's just a lot easier to complain and say how unfair everything is.

My family knew a guy named Jack M. (he used to drive a race car). He is a legal immigrant from Portugal and he came to America with $10 in his pocket. Once he made it to America, he found work with a concrete company where he learned how to do masonry, excavation and other concrete work. Sometimes he would be tasked with renting concrete forms (and other items) from a rental store. Since his company always rented this items, Jack decided to make some cash by saving his money and buying his own set of forms, which he rented to his company for the same price as the other rental joint. After awhile, he took the profits and started buying other items like tools and dumpsters, all of which he started renting. It got to the point where he had enough equipment to start his own concrete company so he did just that - he hired guys to do the work while he managed everything. He eventually sold that company for several million dollars.

Looking for something else to do, he bought himself a tractor trailer. Actually, three, because he realized he needed more trucks to make a sizable profit. With the trucks he started looking for work and that's when he hooked up with NYC for relocating trash to Virginia. To maximize his trucks, he hauled mulch from Virginia up to NYC. He was making money on each several-hundred mile trip. His fleet grew larger than several dozen trucks when a larger shipping and transport company bought him out... again, for many millions.

He used that money to buy that aforementioned race car which he used to drive back when I knew him. He also bought himself several acres of land and had a huge house built for himself... all without a college education, large capital backing, wealthy parents, protesting, crying or whining. He found a way to make money and how to make that money grow. The last time I saw him was about 15 years ago so who knows what the guy is up to now. In short, Got his; fuck you.

Edit:

That was HIS choice to join the military.

I don't know. Maybe we should have asked why it was a national disaster that people were mad enough to protest a year or so ago, yet despite those people not vandalizing anything, shitting/pissing everywhere, and assaulting people, they were dangerous inbred dumbass racists.
The Occupy Movement has some nuts in its trail mix. It's one thing to be mad enough to show up and protest. It's another thing to be so mad that you decide your anger gives you license to violate the rights of others. When that happens, the police show up. If the Occupy protesters want to keep things on the up-and-up, they need to do what the Tea Party protesters did, and police their ranks, start turning out/away the riff-raff, and respecting the rights of people just trying to go about their lives while they're protesting.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say we're aware. It's been brought to light.


Again, assembling and demonstrating doesn't involve assaulting people (even if they're the police), vandalism, and public defecation.


I don't think they (or we) should just continue to let things that are clearly wrong continue to happen. I don't think anyone is suggesting that. However, you're not being "exploited" just because you're not making a lot of money. As wrong is it is to tell someone their whole lives that it's undignified to work certain kinds of jobs, then tell them that they just need to live with the indignity when things are dire...things are dire when you owe a bunch of money and need to take care of yourself, and you have to do whatever it takes to get out of that situation until you can improve your situation. If some fat, old loser with half an associate's degree can figure that out and do it, the cream of the 99% with their four-year degrees and all the answers should be able to figure it out, too.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

They are dangerous inbred dumbass racists, on the basis of the message they were conveying rather than their methods. They're also protected by the constitution. Same as the wall street occupiers. You have this amazing tendency to generalize the entire OWS movement based on a handful of alleged violent altercations (of which the recordings, when taken in the light most favorable to whichever local police force is involved, still makes them look like shit), but when we make generalizations about any movement you espouse, we should know better than to assume all neocons are secret nazis, or something along those lines.



I'm glad you're enlightened. The message has yet to fully sink in.



Again, assembly also isn't entirely dependent upon whatever fraction the press wants to vilify in order to condemn the entire movement. Personal rights are not contingent upon the actions of others. If I am expressing freedom of assembly, I am not guilty of conspiracy-to-aid-another-in-shitting-in-a-public-park, and I cannot be removed by force when I am not breaking any laws. This is happening anyway, and you're convinced that's just fine.



Then let them march. This isn't difficult.



You're making conclusory statements rather than arguing anything substantive. There's not really anything to respond to, other than to say "more than half of those examples won't get them shit." As an example, I have four friends with bartending licenses. None of them have found work as bartenders. I personally know Java, and I'll never get hired over someone with a CS degree and actual programming skills for any job that involves code. Even if it's purely Java. Firefighters in most residential areas are volunteers.

Amusingly, I could join the army. As I've said before, another year and the bar exam, and I'll outrank anyone here who's ever served. It'd be worth it just to tell Eturnal to get me coffee and shine my shoes.

If destruction exists, we must destroy everything.
Shuruppak Yuratuhl
Slaad Shrpk Breizh