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I predict that out of the 32 examples cited, 90% of them will be passed over without acknowledgment and the other 10% will be picked at because they aren't applicable to every last protester (join the army, be a porn star, teach music etc)

Failing this, to prove me wrong someone will go out of their way to try to come up with 32 reasons that 32 solutions of varying degrees of practicality just won't work or are unreasonable to expect.


Meanwhile, you could have used that intellectual and emotional energy to think of one solution that WOULD work.

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Sometimes I guess it's just easier to make excuses though.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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Sometimes I guess it's just easier to make excuses though.


I'm confused, are you talking about college kids not working at mcdonalds, or the attempt of many on this board to excuse the issues of the protestors because they think of them as whiny, spoiled brats?


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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Having a college degree, btw, doesn't guarantee employment but it greatly increases your chances. Idk why this hasn't been said yet. Also, like Usdk, I had smart parents who made sure that my sisters and I would be able to go to college without feeling any difference in our family's lifestyle. We went to UMD for free and we will have no debt whatsoever.

My point is that the whole "you should have been smarter about picking your major" argument can also be stated as "you should have planned for your education better so you could do what you love rather than what makes the big bucks."


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Having a college degree, btw, doesn't guarantee employment but it greatly increases your chances.

it doesn't "greatly" increase your chances, you're still living "the American dream."

(From here on, "you" refers to the average joe)

In real life people want the guy who has 2-5 year experience.

That's the guy that didn't go to college and instead worked while you went to college.

You gained $50,000 in debt with a degree.

He gained $50,000 in cash (average of $10,000 per year) with 5 years experience but no degree.

Company is going to hire him while you remain $50,000 in debt just cause of experience.

I suppose if they are deciding a non-degree guy vs a guy with degree, then yes I suppose you will get hired.

Then again that guy doesn't have $50,000 in debt like you do and doesn't need it as much as you do.


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Sometimes I guess it's just easier to make excuses though.


I'm confused, are you talking about college kids not working at mcdonalds, or the attempt of many on this board to excuse the issues of the protestors because they think of them as whiny, spoiled brats?


Why can't it be both? Is the world so black and white to you?


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Azelma wrote:
I gave approximately 32 examples of ways to make money and better your life (some were kind of jokes...but a lot of them were very clear options). Funny how Tuhl and others haven't responded.

I was skimming it and read "Mexican? Get a landscaping job!". I stopped reading after that.


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2.) Drop in on some writing seminars and learn how to write. Offer to do freelance blogging work online...you can work from starbucks or use a friends internet.


Blogging is a way to toot your horn, there's no money in it.

Azelma wrote:
3.) It costs $10 to register a domain name, and less than $100 to host a site for a year. Start making sites and learn about adsense and affiliate marketing. Look at what keywords offer the highest CPC and make a site built around it.


Unless your site is a high-visibility internet hub, ads are paid-to-click. The dot-bomb crisis was caused in large part by people claiming that banner ads were a viable monetization model.

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4.) Stash away some savings and use it to attend a few trade school courses and learn about being an auto mechanic.

12.) Like cars? Become a used car salesman...it's easier than you'd think.


Savings from...

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5.) Apply for work at grocery stores (I just heard that people who work at Trader Joes can earn 40k a year plus just starting out, with nice benefits too).


...which is why those jobs are filled.

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6.) Do what my other friend is doing...moved to Colorado to work/live at a ski resort for 7 months while he plans his next move. They cover room/board and give him a stipend


How did he find that job?

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8.) Music major? Freelance music lessons. Post ads on craigslist to find clients...costs about $25
15.) Learn web design - offer to freelance
19) Take a typing course or apply for a secretary job
20) Become a security guard
23) Like animals? Work at PetCo, work on your zookeeper license, walk dogs
26) Fluent in multiple languages? Move abroad and teach English (I currently have two friends teaching english to kids in South Korea)
29) Apply to UPS or FedEx...people in their warehouses can make decent money and get benefits
32) They have several Casino dealer schools in all the new cities that are getting Casinos (Chicago, Philly, etc.) - become a dealer.


Supply >>> demand

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11.) Are you an attractive woman? Become a gogo dancer or club girl (seriously, it's a thing, and they get paid for it)
14.) Join the army
21) Have a cute girlfriend with few morals? Set up an amateur porn web site (I'm totally serious, you can get PAID)


You think a good system is one that incentivizes immoral behavior and selling one's body?

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18) Move out west, become a ranch hand
22) Become a tattoo artist
28) Learn construction - join a construction business


Those fields are associated with lifestyles and require long-term training.

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24) Babysit, become a nanny, basic childcare


Would you trust an unemployed person you don't know with your kids and property?

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25) Mexican? Landscaping.


I've seen you do this many times. You're going to say you're trying to be funny but the truth is you're just a typical racist who veils his deep-seated bigotry behind PC and false humor.

Growing up in Sacramento, we had Mexican gardeners. They sucked, so we fired them and I tended the landscaping myself. Just thought I'd volunteer that.

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30) Become a Teachers Aide (not the highest paying, but there are basic benefits...my sister was able to help my cousin who had a shitty liberal arts degree get this type of job)
31) Tutor


TAs and tutors are typically hired from graduate students (i.e., a selection of those who have the time and money to pursue that option in the first place). Since school has to be paid for, it's a net loss.

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13.) Learn about being a pharmaceutical rep - they generally like people who have some sales experience, but you don't need to since they will train you


My father's a physician. 20 years after he left practice, we still have piles of shrink-wrapped pharmaceutical promo items in boxes that are fulfilling our day-to-day needs.

Being a pharmaceutical rep is quite literally a prostitution gig. You say and do whatever you have to do to get jaded physicians to prescribe your shit. This almost always involves sleeping with the Dr. I'm fairly sure this is why I'm talking to you now.

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16.) Peace corps


I actually tried this. There are a host of restrictions (many of which you yourself could not meet) and I was turned away because "you are qualified, but we have people who are more qualified".

That is a typical response with employment in this day and age. That is why people are protesting. You don't realize this because you've never had to look for a job or deal with great doubt, you've been handed what you have.

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Should I go on? There are always options. If I was in their situation...I'd be doing one of the above, not sitting in a tent complaining about everything.

Sometimes I guess it's just easier to make excuses though.


But that's not really true is it?

When we had a discussion about conscription, you gave BS excuses about why you're awesome and should sit behind a wall doing paperwork rather than doing the dirty and dangerous work. Somehow I think if you were in that position of needing/being asked to you'd invent a chickenhawk excuse.

You do weed regularly despite the fact it stays in your system a very long time and an arrest (even short of a conviction) for possession is a career killer (it will completely disqualify you for PeaceCorps and most employers will not take a chance on anyone with any history whatsoever however marginal, because they don't have to. Of course you'll give us excuses about how you're special and how it's not a big deal and how you shouldn't have to make good decisions in the here and now because you've got it made, even though you're making the choice to put your future at risk...and somehow I think if you got fired and all your next employers demanded hair tests, you'd cry us a river about how it's not fair.

You talk yourself up as an epitome of American success but you never had to do any of the things on this list.


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 Post subject: Re: oh christ(prob NSFW)
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WPA.

Your point is ignorant, stupid and invalid, and people like you are what is wrong with America.

It's the people who are bold and clever enough to see the lies for what they are and courageous enough to go protest who are the the heroes of this land and the heirs to the legacy of American courage that won the war.

Not chickenshits like you who act all tough shit but have a pussy where your dick should be.


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all I'm hearing is ad hominem.


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I predict that out of the 32 examples cited, 90% of them will be passed over without acknowledgment and the other 10% will be picked at because they aren't applicable to every last protester (join the army, be a porn star, teach music etc)

Failing this, to prove me wrong someone will go out of their way to try to come up with 32 reasons that 32 solutions of varying degrees of practicality just won't work or are unreasonable to expect.


Meanwhile, you could have used that intellectual and emotional energy to think of one solution that WOULD work.

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Well would ya look at that.

I don't deny that OWS has legitimate concerns, and I don't think it's fair to paint millions of people with one brush and say that they are all homeless jobless bums who want a handout. Wanting an end to the big business / government love affair is not really comparable, which is what I think the main objective of OWS is.


With that said, Azelma was not saying you have to do any one of the things on the list, merely pointing out that there are a great deal of ways to make money.


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Azelma wrote:
2.) Drop in on some writing seminars and learn how to write. Offer to do freelance blogging work online...you can work from starbucks or use a friends internet.


Blogging is a way to toot your horn, there's no money in it.


Let me explain how the internet works. There's things called "Guest Posts" where you write featured articles for other blogs and include links to specific sites. Hence why I said "freelance blogging". Yes there's money in it - I know this because my company hires freelance bloggers. You are wrong and trying to shoot down an industry you know nothing about.

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Azelma wrote:
3.) It costs $10 to register a domain name, and less than $100 to host a site for a year. Start making sites and learn about adsense and affiliate marketing. Look at what keywords offer the highest CPC and make a site built around it.


Unless your site is a high-visibility internet hub, ads are paid-to-click. The dot-bomb crisis was caused in large part by people claiming that banner ads were a viable monetization model.


Yeah you're just plain wrong here. True - CPC is not nearly as lucrative as it once was, and the competition is way higher, but I still have a site making me a good amount of change each month based solely on AdSense revenue. This is fact.

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Azelma wrote:
6.) Do what my other friend is doing...moved to Colorado to work/live at a ski resort for 7 months while he plans his next move. They cover room/board and give him a stipend


How did he find that job?


I assume he found it online and applied, but I'm not entirely sure - I'll ask him.

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Azelma wrote:
8.) Music major? Freelance music lessons. Post ads on craigslist to find clients...costs about $25
15.) Learn web design - offer to freelance
19) Take a typing course or apply for a secretary job
20) Become a security guard
23) Like animals? Work at PetCo, work on your zookeeper license, walk dogs
26) Fluent in multiple languages? Move abroad and teach English (I currently have two friends teaching english to kids in South Korea)
29) Apply to UPS or FedEx...people in their warehouses can make decent money and get benefits
32) They have several Casino dealer schools in all the new cities that are getting Casinos (Chicago, Philly, etc.) - become a dealer.


Supply >>> demand


So just because Supply > Demand that means it's impossible to get work? I guess because something is challenging it makes it not an option? lol.

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24) Babysit, become a nanny, basic childcare


Would you trust an unemployed person you don't know with your kids and property?


If we got the person through one of the many certified nanny networks there are, yes. Also, there's this thing called an "interview" and a "background check." I have a friend who moved to Chicago from Texas and was able to get this type of nanny job within a few months...no the family did not know her previously.

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Azelma wrote:
25) Mexican? Landscaping.


I've seen you do this many times. You're going to say you're trying to be funny but the truth is you're just a typical racist who veils his deep-seated bigotry behind PC and false humor.


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I was skimming it and read "Mexican? Get a landscaping job!". I stopped reading after that.


Wowwww really guys? What exactly is "false humor"? I really cant believe you and Mayo flipped out about that. I'm never making any attempt at off-colour humor ever again because obviously you guys think I'm a racist and will just use it to either 1.) Disclaim whatever statements I've made as the ramblings of an ignorant racist or 2) In Mayo's case, ignore everything else that was written entirely.

Anyway, I should say that this is how my cousin got work (and no, he isn't Mexican ;) ). He happened to live across the street from a woman who owns a landscaping business. He bumped into her one day walking the dog and had a conversation - asked if she had any openings and voila!

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When we had a discussion about conscription, you gave BS excuses about why you're awesome and should sit behind a wall doing paperwork rather than doing the dirty and dangerous work. Somehow I think if you were in that position of needing/being asked to you'd invent a chickenhawk excuse.


I think I would be more useful in a desk job in the army...that's just me acknowledging my shortcomings...I'm not incredibly athletic, and I'm not very experienced with guns....I think I'd be more of a liability in the field than not. However, if the army were to put me on the front lines if I enlisted...I would certainly fulfill my obligation.

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You do weed regularly despite the fact it stays in your system a very long time and an arrest (even short of a conviction) for possession is a career killer (it will completely disqualify you for PeaceCorps and most employers will not take a chance on anyone with any history whatsoever however marginal, because they don't have to. Of course you'll give us excuses about how you're special and how it's not a big deal and how you shouldn't have to make good decisions in the here and now because you've got it made, even though you're making the choice to put your future at risk...and somehow I think if you got fired and all your next employers demanded hair tests, you'd cry us a river about how it's not fair.

You talk yourself up as an epitome of American success but you never had to do any of the things on this list.


I have done several things on the list, and I have worked fast food.

I agree with your statement about Weed though. It is certainly a risk and one that could bite me in the ass. However, I don't deal, or even purchase in large quantities. The most I could ever be caught with would not result in jail time, just a fine. Also, sad as it is, because I am white and living in an affluent neighborhood, cops are much less likely to arrest me for such a thing.

You are correct that I would be boned if I needed to get a job that required a hair sample. However, I have enough savings stashed up that I could hold off finding a job for about a month while my system cleared out, and I'd stop any smoking immediately. For the record, I did this in college when I had an internship. As soon as I knew I was going to be drug tested, I stopped all weed consumption and focused on clearing out my system. It was a piss test and I passed.

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With that said, Azelma was not saying you have to do any one of the things on the list, merely pointing out that there are a great deal of ways to make money.


This.


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I like the direction these threads take (no, seriously!).. someone makes a list of X, someone else selectively picks out a few they don't like and ignore the rest, or takes it a step further and goes line by line and points out the flaws of each idea. OP of the list then feels compelled to respond and defend the ideas or counter the argument that nothing will work. I go make a sandwich, watch a hockey game and take a shit. 3 pages later when I return this shit is still going on.


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