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A cop has incentive to lie about misdeeds his peers committed.
A British network has no incentive to lie about misdeeds that American cops committed.



Yeah, it does. "They used force, therefore use of force was justified".

Except it wasn't, that has been proven by the footage, yet you believe the lies anyway because you're a coward and a Nazi.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I haven't watched the video because I'm not disagreeing with you that in that particular case, it could be brutality in every sense of the word.

But I don't jump to the conclusion that it is brutality every single time force is used.

"Force is never justified, therefore their use of force is brutality."

I can do finger quotes too.

That's fine, but there are those other than 'foreign news networks' who do have a vested interested in slanting the story. Do you think the police shot that footage? If not, who did? What are that person's goals/motivations? Is the video edited in any way? Are there things not shown in the video that are a factor?

These are just some of the things to should be considered before anyone rushes to judgment, but your perception of "cops are always dumb jock loser thugs, and the protesters could do no wrong" is as much of a bias as USDs "the cops wouldn't do anything unless provoked and those kids are a bunch of smelly hippies."

I'm not sure what was so important about movie the students out of this area that it required police intervention (but again, LOL, where are the cops brutalizing people? In liberal enclaves...A FUCKING COLLEGE CAMPUS THIS TIME, NO LESS...yet conservatives are the ones rooting for the 'police state'), much less pepper spray. I don't see the harm and letting them camp there until it becomes a public health issue like it did in NYC. It would be nice if the police AND THE PROTESTERS would show some restraint and behave civilly. Sadly, it looks like we're beyond that possibility.

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Jubber

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"Ignorance is strength."


Use of force is by definition an extreme measure. The burden of proof that it is justified lays with the offending party.

Violence is brutality until proven otherwise.


Do you hold the protestors to that standard? What threshold do you set for justification of violence by protestors?


This is a case of "see sig".

"Oh, well, we can't know everything, so we can't really know anything, so I'm just going to disregard the available facts and evidence despite having no basis on which to doubt their authenticity and go off and believe whatever I want."

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You're right, even though I don't disagree with you, i should watch the video anyway.

The burden of proof that it's justified lays with hte offending party? So the people getting beat on should be like "yeah that was cool I'm ok with getting beat."

As soon as a protest turns violent, the police have every right to disperse the crowd for public safety. If you think people should be allowed to go around basically rioting in the name of protest, you're a fool.

You've already disregarded available facts and evidence despite having no basis on which to doubt its authenticity, just so you can go off an believe whatever you want, or need I remind you...



...if you're not giving the authorities the same benefit of the doubt you've granted the protesters, you're doing exactly what you're accusing USD of doing.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

Benefit of the doubt defeated by positive evidence captured on camera.

It's not CGI. It's not staged. It happened. Inconvenient facts at their finest.



Except it wasn't violent. There's no evidence to suggest it was violent except the ONLY people KNOWN to have committed violence saying so.

Like I said, you're a Nazi. You think everyone is guilty until proven innocent except the thugs in charge.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

So? you think ALL force is brutality. which its not.

Yes, it is. Until justification is provided, violence is brutality. There is no justification forthcoming.

"Protest was violent." Oh? Where's the proof? Who got hurt? Anyone?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Head in the sand.

Who's the one who refused to watch the video for fear it might disagree with his claims?
Who's the one who continues to make those claims despite no evidence forthcoming?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

did you miss where I said I'm not disagreeing with you?

I saw the picture where people are sitting down arm in arm and getting sprayed, I don't need to watch a video of it. I don't enjoy watching people get hurt, no matter what the cause, so no i don't want to watch the fucking video. In that particular instance yes, it looks like police brutality. That doesn't mean all cops are like that, just like not all OWS protestors are rapist murdering drug heads.

I'm not the one painting everything with the same brush.

What kind of organization beats the living shit out of people when they think they can get away with it then lies about it after the fact? What kind of people make up such an organization, decide to be a part of it?

What sort of people demand total passivity from everyone except their colleagues, from whom they tolerate abuse and violence towards anyone no matter how innocent?

Are there good people in Al Qaeda? Are there good people who were buddies with Saddam? Are there good people in the North Korean government? Are there good people in the Mafia? Are there good people who work in the slave trade? I guess, maybe. But no one thinks it's questionable to refer to those kinds of people as bad human beings.

By the same token, thugs in uniform should be held to the same standard. To be part of an organization is to take the good with the bad. And they have brought much disgrace onto themselves through the actions they enable.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Oh man, an investigation into an event, a deliberation on what to do, poassible criminal charges and all that entails, HAVENT all been done already?


Weird.

POSSIBLE criminal charges. Oh really. Well, ANYTHING's "possible", I guess.

I guess a video of brutalizing unarmed people isn't enough to land you in the slammer if you're a cop. It is for anyone else, but for a cop? Make the law, break the law.

Instead they get...administrative leave (read: get paid taxpayer money for sitting your ass on the sofa). If protestors brushed a cop's elbow they'd be shot on the spot.

People like you are what's wrong with America. People who are too scared to think or defend their freedom so they just side with the thugs who have guns.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.