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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:49 am  
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Dagery wrote:
One can only hope that the West has learned from its mistakes in regard to the formation of the USSR, though. Indifference to North Korea can only lead to something much worse than an insane but inept autocracy.


Can't get much worse than what they already had.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 4:13 am  
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Dotzilla wrote:
you think some new dude (who's presumably just as insane as his father, who was just as insane as HIS father) can repel that magnitude of brainwashing?


Certainly. Kim was some new dude at some point as well, his father was also revered as a god and the same wacky stories were told about him that the people believed. If they're that brainwashed it would just be a small jump to think the son capable of the same.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:51 am  
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The new leaders may be able to gain the loyalty of their people, at least enough to maintain the status quo.

But it is human nature to split the difference between new experience and old, no matter how faulty or deluded the old experience. People do not easily let go of learned habits and ideas, even those thoroughly debunked. And it is also human nature to equate price - what something costs us - with value - with what it is worth to us. And the Kim regime has cost the Korean people dearly.

Should the DPRK fall and be unified with the South, the people will not easily unlearn the brutality and autocracy they have come to live with for the last seventy years. The bulk of Russian society still "splits the difference" when it comes to Stalin - "well, he did bad things, but he can't have been all bad", and there is every reason to believe the Koreans will be at least as tenacious in their perception of the Kims - it will not be easy for them to accept they wasted three generations on utter madness.

Furthermore, it is in the nature of human institutions to seek to maintain and increase their power, even unto irrelevance. When movements or institutions become irrelevant, they do not fold, they make themselves relevant one way or another. This has been a major agitating factor in the conflict in Judaea, and it is why the American military machine has not scaled down either after the wars or with the demise of the USSR. It's also true of the civil rights movement.

To defend against each other, both North and South have built up massive, well-funded and politically influential military machines. Even if the South should prevail - as it inevitably must - I see no reason to believe that their military shall cede its relevance, its funding, its influence...and if the USSR or Haiti has taught us anything, it's that the spectre of the defunct North Korean military will continue to haunt the world for decades, even centuries, to come.

Peace in Korea may be the most deadly outcome of all.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 10:41 am  
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Ill never understand the desire to have that much control over anything.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:45 am  
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Usdk wrote:
Ill never understand the desire to have that much control over anything.


Merely because you do not understand does not mean you do not partake.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:06 pm  
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You're right, I'm a north korean despot.

your hardon for me is getting annoying.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:10 pm  
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The will to power motivates all God's creatures, in one way or another.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:13 pm  
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You don't believe in God, so you can't believe in that quote either.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
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Ok, you win.


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:27 pm  
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Aestu wrote:
Ok, you win.


don't mind me just making sure I get this in before you change your mind.
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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 6:18 pm  
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"...and God hardened his heart..."


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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
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Monotheist wrote:
Aestu wrote:
Ok, you win.


don't mind me just making sure I get this in before you change your mind.


Wow, I'm so jealous of Usdk right now. It's like this:

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 Post subject: Re: Kim Jong-il? More like Kim Jong-dead. Because he's dead.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:54 pm  
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haha it's good to be famous, i guess.


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