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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/mom-kills-intruder_n_1183336.html

Not that she killed that POS...that's just fine. Not that she had guns... what would have happened if she had not? But this story is almost celebratory. The media getting this child to pose with her shotgun is disgusting to me. I get that people will do almost anything to protect their children (I would, as well), but does anyone really think this would have turned out differently if she had been alone?

Damn. This girl. 18. A mother. A widow. Killed a man.

Boredalt - 80 Dwarf Priest - Dissension

I don't like that they're having her pose with the shot gun either.

Personally, I'd celebrate anyone blasting any armed invaders in half with a shotgun. The only reason she's being celebrated by the media because she does, allegedly, have a vagina.

If it were a man, this story wouldn't have hit the news unless he was white and the assailants were black.

I thought it was more of a story because she was protecting her kid.

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I mean, you have to admit she's pretty badass.


As for the media glorifying it...that's just the media doing what it does.

18 year old single mother kills intruder with shotgun

The story is so sensational in and of itself; posting pictures etc. is just the next step.


Anyway, I'm fine with people having guns, and even some people being gun enthusiasts. This country came into being as a result of militias. Citizens should be armed and able to protect themselves against government tyranny, and anyone else who would try to harm them, if need be.

As long as there are proper regulations, background checks, and so on to at least try to keep the crazies and criminals from having them.

No, it came into being because England is on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean.

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If the colonists and their militias did not have access to guns then England would have rolled us over...or the Native Americans would have had much more success against us, causing many more problems to expansion/continued survival.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politi ... ted_States





Yes, England wanted to prevent Colonists from having weapons because they knew that armed people were much more difficult to control. A pissed off person with a gun can pose a much larger threat than a pissed off person who is unarmed. Without armed militias, America wouldn't have come into existence....at least not at that time. This is fact.


The right to bear arms exists in part because the founding fathers wanted to protect citizens against any potentially oppressive governments, and also because of the ongoing native american conflicts at the time that required settlers to be armed against potential attacks. They knew that being armed made the Revolution possible.

The Huffington Post

That is all.

Pretty much this.

I'm for citizen gun ownership provided there is a legitimate reason. You're not going to do shit against the government, please be real and stop kidding yourselves. My sides ache from laughter.

Hunting, self defense from credible threat, your job requires it, etc.

You don't need to have 50 machine guns just for the sake of having 50 machine guns. You don't need an M1A1 tank to go deer hunting. You don't need a flamethrower for home defense. It's annoying that gun owners flip out anytime any legislation restricting gun ownership in any way is introduced.

The problem is not gun ownership, the solution is not to ban firearms completely. Like EVERY OTHER ISSUE IN AMERICA, the issue isn't black and white and can't be solved by having politicians oversimplify the solution. Yes, it gets you votes because it's charismatic and most people could give two shits and a flying fuck to watch the news or give more than a few minutes of their time to think about something, weigh the pros and cons and actually use their minds.

Sound bites win elections, responsible policy is boring.

Brawlsack

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You misunderstand me.

Nowadays? Yeah, gun ownership isn't really protecting citizens from the government. If the US government wanted to blow up your house, they could do it, and no amount of AK-47s could stop them. Though it might slow them down...and imagine if thousands of civilians all with AK-47s banded together to resist government oppression. That would be a much bigger problem wouldn't it?

Ask civilian's in North Korea if they are allowed to own guns. Hell, think about Skyrim! What if the Stormcloaks weren't allowed to have weapons, and only the empire could own weapons? A true rebellion would be a lot more difficult.

What about civilian militias in Lebanon?



Anyway, the right to bear arms...the existence of militas, etc. is what made the revolutionary war possible (yes, England being on the other side of the ocean was a benefit too...because of the economic and other strategic difficulties of waging war so far away from home at the time).

Read my response to mayo and link. The facts are there. This was the origin of gun ownership in the united states and why the rights were given in the first place.

Nowadays they are outdated and hopeless like so many things, reduced to mere talking points for political posturing - but their origins cannot be disputed.

You were saying?



This is a great idea. Everyone should own an AK-47, then and only then will crime be stopped.

Brawlsack

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Stop going back to the revolutionary war for gun control arguments.

we had slaves back then, remember? you want those too?

We lived in a fucking frontier back then. Obviously you wanted all the guns you could have.

Now, all you really need is a shotgun you can rack to scare off an intruder(cuz who will go into a dark house with a shotgun getting racked?) and you don't even need shells to do that.

I'm all for the freedom of gun ownership, within reason.

I don't own a gun.

I don't think it's necessary to own an AK-47.

Again, technology/society has made current gun laws outdated.

But, people should have the right to own guns and protect themselves from whoever might attack them, even if it's their own government. Please see middle-eastern examples.

Do I think that applies to America? No. But if we were ever under seige by an oppressive government, I'd hope I had a friend with a gun.

Anyway, why I'm referencing the revolutionary war is to discuss the ORIGINS of the current OUTDATED gun laws.

- North Korea? Probably not. Not like it would matter because the cult of personality following the Jong family is godlike.
- Skyrim? They could just shout at/cast spells/sic trolls on the Empire because you shouldn't be so fucking stupid to incorporate a fantasy video game into a debate about guns (especially when said game doesn't even have guns in it).
- Lebanon? Lebanon's militias were doing a great job at getting bombed until someone else brought their planes and drones and cruise missiles.

Some idiot (or a group of idiots) holding a rifle and some homemade weapons aren't going to stop anything in an era with tactical strikes, black-ops teams, and manless drones.

EDIT: I forgot to add Alduin, the Bringer of the End Times, because we're talking about that too... I guess.

Sure, guns gave people the balls to start the war. Do you seriously think that taking months to get troops across the Atlantic wasn't a significant part as to why we won? We're talking about (at the time) an empire that stretched to literally every continent. If we were right in their backyard, the revolution would've probably lasted a week, maybe two.


Who are you arguing with?

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I didn't say it played no part, but without any one of those factors it wouldn't have gone down as it did.



Point taken - I am 100% aware of the absurdity of bringing Skyrim into the argument.

But I'll modify my question because I love you: how would the Skyrim rebellion have gone if the Stormcloaks were unarmed, and prevented from using spells, or anything by the Empire because they had no right?

I need 50 machine guns, thousands of AK's and an M1A1 tank.

How else will I secure a zombie free zone the size of Rhode Island?