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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:19 pm  
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Did you really bring fucking skyrim into an argument about the right to bear arms?


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:58 pm  
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 Post subject: This bugs me
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:05 pm  
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Right to bear arms is like anything else.

Free speech doesn't mean you can shout 'fire' in a movie theater, make death threats or slander someone.

Right to bear arms means you can exercise that right to a degree that is reasonably expected.


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:52 pm  
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Battletard wrote:
Right to bear arms means you can exercise that right to a degree that is reasonably expected.


Agreed.


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:02 am  
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http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_t2#/vi ... s-911.wral relevant?

also, guns are funner than shit, they arent only used for fending off oppressive governments. my dad, friends, and i would regularly run out to the forest on weekends and blow up some clays while i was growing up, and we have murdered our fair share of cans and bottles over the years. a very effective and satisfying stress relieving activity.


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:32 am  
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I own this shirt.

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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:16 am  
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There are arguments to be made for gun rights, but arguing they protect you from the government is asinine. You have no power in your weapons. You are already the downtrodden, and you refuse to even consider armed revolt because you've convinced yourselves that those in power were ordained your rulers by the great god PROFIT. Not that such considerations would do any good, the public wouldn't support such a clearly anti-American terrorist-loving group of revolutionaries. You would be whack-jobs, looneys, communists, and fascists and your death/life imprisonment would have the support of the masses. That is, if they even know you existed. Thanks to the new ndaa just discussing revolution would make you a terrorist threat to the country and justify a quiet abduction and life imprisonment.


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:28 am  
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NDAA being on the same tab as paychecks for government workers is the best example of the worst politics America has to offer.


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:42 pm  
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I like it.

And the story is being run because it is sensational on the surface. Her husband died a little more than a week ago, on Christmas day. I'm willing to give her a few minutes of fame for being a badass and protecting her little carpet shark.


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:27 pm  
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The story doesn't quite make sense. Who were these people and why were they supposedly so intent on getting into the house?


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:28 pm  
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It doesn't matter who they are. They broke into her house brandishing a weapon and she killed one of them. "Who says? The police?" Ya know what, Aestu... just go fuck yourself already.
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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:35 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
It doesn't matter who they are. They broke into her house brandishing a weapon and she killed one of them.

It absolutely matters. We don't know what their intention was or what brought them there. All we know for a fact is that this woman shot them. For all we know, she could have invited them to establish a pretext, or she could have stolen something of theirs, or engaged in some sort of extremely instigatory behavior.

When you establish a legitimate excuse to kill people, people who want to kill people will exploit that excuse. So any such usage of that excuse must be subject to the closest scrutiny.

Until the motivations of the other party can be established, leaping to judgement is premature. And the absence of those motivations is a serious question. Why don't we know?

EDIT: There are other things that don't quite make sense.

The article says he came at her with a hunting knife. Did the two sides know the other was armed before the door came down? If so, why did they risk an engagement against someone with a gun? If not, why didn't she tell them? If she knew one had a knife before he came in, how did she know? Also, was only one man armed, or were both of them? If both, what was the other man armed with? Who does the knife actually belong to?

She was on the phone with the cops. Did the intruders know that? If so, why did they continue the attempt given it would be highly unlikely they would get away with it?

She barricaded the door with a couch - why didn't she just lock it? It takes a very strong man to knock a door off its hinges. And if that's what they did, again, why did they do it? What was the motive? Why not just leave and come back later when she's less wary? Why not knock out a window or assault the back door or something, especially since they outnumber her and thus could attack two points of entry simultaneously?

Why did they risk an engagement at all? Why did they not just attack her in her sleep, or slip in when she wasn't there? If they were just plain crazy, is there evidence to that effect?

The man was charged with burglary (implying his intent wasn't homicide by way of insanity). Was there something specific he was looking to steal? If so, how did he know it was there? If not, then why did he choose that target? And why do it when the resident is clearly present and alert?

If the guy was just insane, then why were there two of them? One crazy guy I can imagine. Two, though? What's their shared goal? If they're a gang of two out for loot then why go for such a problematic target?


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:04 pm  
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Breaking into a house is enough justifiable cause for the resident to blast you. Nothing else matters legally.


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:12 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
Breaking into a house is enough justifiable cause for the resident to blast you.


You're making an unwarranted assumption.

For the reasons I explained, the "breaking and entering" bit doesn't make sense.


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 Post subject: Re: This bugs me
PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:15 pm  
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It doesn't matter because they can't prove otherwise. Who is going to beileve a criminal and a dead criminal over a young recently widowed child WITH a new child?

I would be interested to know what, if any, criminal record the two men had, but I think you're looking for conspriacies that aren't there.


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