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 Post subject: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:50 am  
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This doesn't need much of a description, if you don't know what SOPA/PIPA are you live under a rock.

http://americancensorship.org/

Sign it, pass it around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/

Enter in your zip code and get your Rep and Senators numbers. Call them.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:14 am  
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i don't really follow this stuff since if it was planned on being passed, you aren't going to change it no matter how hard you try. lolconspiracytheoristXDDDDDDDDDDDdddddddddd!!!!!!!111111111

i just thought i'd throw this in here too since i find it hilarious.
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-hedges-ndaa-sued-933/
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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 3:02 am  
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SOPA is the wrong answer to a legitimate issue: piracy, and protection of intellectual property rights.

Before the invention of the internet, if someone pirated a book or a patent, it was possible to seek legal means to forcibly stop them from doing so. Just because today's intellectual property is less tangible - or more lucrative - doesn't negate the need for a legal means of intercessory action against pirates.

The problem with SOPA is that it will only really benefit wealthy corps and trial lawyers. Corps with lawyers on retainer will be able to use the law to harass people by burying them in paper and legal fees, even if they have no case whatsoever.

The debate over SOPA, as I see it, is way off base. Those against the bill, for the most part, don't offer a solution to the problem - they just want the status quo, and don't care, or understand, the need for intellectual property rights.

Most of the anti-SOPA people, including, arguably, Wikipedia and Google, are really in the "free beer" and not "free speech" camp.

There is no free lunch. The argument shouldn't be about why SOPA is bad - it should be what the alternative should look like.

The answer, in my mind, is exactly what no one wants. More government - government to accept the role of great equalizer. Creation of a regulatory agency - a new patent office - that hears grievances without the need for private lawyers. Legislation defining exactly what intellectual property rights are and how they may be enforced.

I think a very radical step may be necessary - online chatroom courts - as that is the only way to overcome the fundamental issue here favoring corps, which is the necessity of travel and other expenses to defend a claim.

In the final analysis, the only alternative to SOPA is forfeiting the free lunches. Paying for content. Banning advertising-based revenue streams and charging a user fee for things like Google and Wikipedia that are reliant on "free" content.

People aren't willing to do that, so we get SOPA.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:38 am  
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Grimmgor wrote:
i don't really follow this stuff since if it was planned on being passed, you aren't going to change it no matter how hard you try. lolconspiracytheoristXDDDDDDDDDDDdddddddddd!!!!!!!111111111

i just thought i'd throw this in here too since i find it hilarious.
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-hedges-ndaa-sued-933/


While listening to NPR on my way to work at they had an interview with that guy.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:10 am  
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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:24 am  
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Where is that taken from?


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:47 am  
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Aestu wrote:
In the final analysis, the only alternative to SOPA is forfeiting the free lunches. Paying for content. Banning advertising-based revenue streams and charging a user fee for things like Google and Wikipedia that are reliant on "free" content.

People aren't willing to do that, so we get SOPA.


I don't quite follow... why would removing ads from the internet fix everything? Wikipedia doesn't even have advertisements, they're a part of the Wikimedia foundation and rely on donations.
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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:31 am  
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Aestu wrote:
SOPA is the wrong answer to a legitimate issue: piracy, and protection of intellectual property rights.

Before the invention of the internet, if someone pirated a book or a patent, it was possible to seek legal means to forcibly stop them from doing so. Just because today's intellectual property is less tangible - or more lucrative - doesn't negate the need for a legal means of intercessory action against pirates.

The problem with SOPA is that it will only really benefit wealthy corps and trial lawyers. Corps with lawyers on retainer will be able to use the law to harass people by burying them in paper and legal fees, even if they have no case whatsoever.

The debate over SOPA, as I see it, is way off base. Those against the bill, for the most part, don't offer a solution to the problem - they just want the status quo, and don't care, or understand, the need for intellectual property rights.

Most of the anti-SOPA people, including, arguably, Wikipedia and Google, are really in the "free beer" and not "free speech" camp.

There is no free lunch. The argument shouldn't be about why SOPA is bad - it should be what the alternative should look like.

The answer, in my mind, is exactly what no one wants. More government - government to accept the role of great equalizer. Creation of a regulatory agency - a new patent office - that hears grievances without the need for private lawyers. Legislation defining exactly what intellectual property rights are and how they may be enforced.

I think a very radical step may be necessary - online chatroom courts - as that is the only way to overcome the fundamental issue here favoring corps, which is the necessity of travel and other expenses to defend a claim.

In the final analysis, the only alternative to SOPA is forfeiting the free lunches. Paying for content. Banning advertising-based revenue streams and charging a user fee for things like Google and Wikipedia that are reliant on "free" content.

People aren't willing to do that, so we get SOPA.

Why is it that all of your proposed solutions to anything always go from reasonable to batshit insane in just a few lines?


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:34 am  
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That's why I have him on ignore. He's easier to converse with in game(maybe not now haha!) But not by much


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:00 pm  
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Meowth wrote:
Where is that taken from?

No idea. I'm assuming Lowtax's twitter or something (Lowtax is the owner of Something Awful, in case you didn't know).


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:08 pm  
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Quittermike wrote:
I don't quite follow... why would removing ads from the internet fix everything?


Because fee-for-service means direct monetization for creation of value - the advertising based revenue model doesn't have direct monetization and therefore encourages lifting other people's content.

Dagery wrote:
Why is it that all of your proposed solutions to anything always go from reasonable to batshit insane in just a few lines?


What did I say that was "insane"?

No free lunch? Crazy talk, I know.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:11 pm  
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Grimmgor wrote:
i don't really follow this stuff since if it was planned on being passed, you aren't going to change it no matter how hard you try. lolconspiracytheoristXDDDDDDDDDDDdddddddddd!!!!!!!111111111

i just thought i'd throw this in here too since i find it hilarious.
http://rt.com/usa/news/obama-hedges-ndaa-sued-933/


my senator withdrew his support for it, which is pretty cool of him.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:19 pm  
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I'm registered in Cleveland, where my rep is MA NIGGA KUCINICH.

In Cincinnati, I'm pretty sure my rep is Boners (sorry guys).


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:21 pm  
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my nigga who?


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:26 pm  
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Usdk wrote:
my nigga who?

The raddest dude in the democratic party.
http://kucinich.house.gov/

(He's the 4-foot tall guy with the 6-foot tall redhead for a wife)


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