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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:57 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:22 am  
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with megaupload going down and a couple others as well (not the ones who panic'd) i found this article amusing, and yet not surprising in the least.

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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:32 am  
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Interesting but unimportant. The company can still develop Megabox. Shutting down their file sharing servers wouldn't stop the company from starting up the new service.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:33 am  
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Dvergar wrote:
Interesting but unimportant. The company can still develop Megabox. Shutting down their file sharing servers wouldn't stop the company from starting up the new service.

Isn't the government filing criminal charges against the people who ran Megaupload?


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:57 am  
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Mns wrote:
Isn't the government filing criminal charges against the people who ran Megaupload?


Went back and read up again on the situation. I was under the impression that while the site was shut down and some of the board were arrested the company was still running. Apparently the assets have been frozen. They could still start the service up though.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:44 am  
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Yeah, considering the whole Megaupload thing - the government took the web site down, froze all their assets, and arrested the guys in New Zealand or whatever.


It really makes me wonder.... "sooooo why did we "need" SOPA/PIPA legislation to combat piracy?"

The government is just trying to break the internet.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:58 am  
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Azelma wrote:
"sooooo why did we "need" SOPA/PIPA legislation to combat piracy?"


SOPA/PIPA was bought by the entertainment industry, it gave ridiculous amounts of power to companies while needing very little if any proof. The Megaupload shutdown followed quite a lot of work (by the government) collecting evidence and requiring warrants. It also targeted a file sharing site that was doing nothing to enforce copyright laws, whereas SOPA would allow a single artist to shut down Youtube/Facebook/Anything they wanted for a single infraction.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:01 am  
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Dvergar wrote:
Azelma wrote:
"sooooo why did we "need" SOPA/PIPA legislation to combat piracy?"


SOPA/PIPA was bought by the entertainment industry, it gave ridiculous amounts of power to companies while needing very little if any proof. The Megaupload shutdown followed quite a lot of work (by the government) collecting evidence and requiring warrants. It also targeted a file sharing site that was doing nothing to enforce copyright laws, whereas SOPA would allow a single artist to shut down Youtube/Facebook/Anything they wanted for a single infraction.


All true. Don't forget, the government almost let SOPA/PIPA go through simply because they are too stupid to understand how the internet actually works.

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It shouldn't have had to come to the protest...but the government likes to ignore experts and logic.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:04 am  
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I work for a hosting company. The process, so far as I can tell from reading up about our abuse-report department, is that a copyright holder makes a complaint to the relevant party (for anything hosted through our system, that would be us), the relevant party investigates, and if the material in the complaint violates trademark or copyright, we block it or get the offending party to take it down. According to the few articles I've read, Megaupload cooperated in this process and removed offending materials when they were found. I'm not sure how that makes or breaks the government's case against them, but it seems that if the company were in compliance with all requests, there would be little reason to go forward with arrests/prosecutions.

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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:58 am  
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Jubbergun wrote:
I work for a hosting company. The process, so far as I can tell from reading up about our abuse-report department, is that a copyright holder makes a complaint to the relevant party (for anything hosted through our system, that would be us), the relevant party investigates, and if the material in the complaint violates trademark or copyright, we block it or get the offending party to take it down. According to the few articles I've read, Megaupload cooperated in this process and removed offending materials when they were found. I'm not sure how that makes or breaks the government's case against them, but it seems that if the company were in compliance with all requests, there would be little reason to go forward with arrests/prosecutions.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:01 pm  
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I started typing some of this out, but this is just easier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload ... indictment


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:07 pm  
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Because a small proportion of users pay for storage, the business is dependent upon advertising. Adverts are primarily viewed when files are downloaded and the business model is therefore not based upon storage but upon maximising downloads. (items 7 - 8)

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An incentivising program was adopted encouraging the upload of "popular" files in return for payments to successful uploaders. (item 69e et al)


Yeah, like I said...


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:10 pm  
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Wikipedia wrote:
In Megaupload's case, the indictment asserts DMCA provisions were used for the appearance of legitimacy – the actual material was not removed, only some links to it were, takedowns agreement was approved based on business growth rather than infringement, and the parties themselves openly discussed their infringing activities. The indictment states that Megaupload executives:
"... are willfully infringing copyrights themselves on these systems; have actual knowledge that the materials on their systems are infringing (or alternatively know facts or circumstances that would make infringing material apparent); receive a financial benefit directly attributable to copyright-infringing activity where the provider can control that activity; and have not removed, or disabled access to, known copyright infringing material from servers they control."[48]


It looks like the government is arguing that they weren't complying with the standard I indicated earlier. If that's the case, they're clearly in violation. I'm going to assume that the government has solid evidence if they managed to get the cooperation of New Zealand in the arrests.

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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:12 pm  
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Jubbergun wrote:
I'm going to assume that the government has solid evidence if they managed to get the cooperation of New Zealand in the arrests.

It doesn't matter if they did or not, they extradited that one British college student a year or two ago even though the British government took it to court since whatever that guy did wasn't illegal in England.


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 Post subject: Re: SOPA
PostPosted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:23 pm  
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True enough...but didn't that guy fight extradition only to have the British court system allow the extradition? I haven't read up on that one (at least not recently), but I seem to recall they denied a similar extradition at around the same time for the reason you noted, that what the person in question was going to be extradited for was not a violation of English law.

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