God is a capitalist?

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:17 am

Aestu wrote:

Azelma wrote:

Also, you have no job.

So don't a lot of people of merit.

The last time I was unemployed I was 15 years old. That's right, almost 10 years of making money and paying taxes.

You are a clown.

Jubbergun wrote:

Alex Baldwin in that scene is every good salesman I have ever met. They're all dicks...it's why they're good at sales. You have to be a bastard to sell. I had a job as a car salesman for about four months, and I was terrible at it. I was lucky if I sold a car a week. The top sales guy there was a complete bastard, and he sold 30-60 cars a month. The only time I ever saw him show a shred of concern for another person was when he gave me some advice. I had just spent the afternoon showing a guy every single model on the lot. He test drove everything. Finally, on the last test drive, he says, "I think this is the one I want." So as I try to bring him in to get the paperwork process started, he says, "I have to ask my wife first." I came in as the guy left, and the top salesman (why can't I remember his name?) asks me why he's leaving. I told him what happened, and he shook his head and said, "I hate to see you get worked like that by a customer. The next time that happens, ask the guy if he needs his wife to make all his decisions for him."

That was the advice he gave me when he was being nice.

This was an interesting read. It's the exact reason why I could never (nor do I ever want to) be a salesman. I'm just not that big of a dick.

I wonder if salesmen are the same in all professions though? Certainly used car salesmen are considered the "worst." For example, I have a lunch meeting with a banker on Thursday who wants our account. I know he's going to be selling it hard. But are account reps trying to get you to switch banks of the same ilk as a real estate salesmen? Are they all of the same "yeah I'm an asshole, and I know how to read people and tell them exactly what they need to hear to get me what I want"

Mns · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:26 am

Jubbergun wrote:

I was going to wait until later to take credit, but I already netted the two fish I expected. I was expecting more sarcasm from Mayo, so I'm a little disappointed, but all the smug bullshit was present.

Oh god, I got megatrolled.

Drominar · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:42 am

Mns wrote:

Oh god, I got megatrolled.

u so trolled

Jubbergun · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:07 pm

This is the week for trolls. I'm still trying to wrap my noodle around the on-going dumbfuckery among republicans painting Romney as the choice of "the establishment" and Newt Gingrich as the "outsider."

I think I'm going to change my mind about Romney...the Gingrich Super-PAC is running ads about how Romney "can't be trusted on abortion." It runs a clip of Romney saying that abortion should be safe and available in America (OH MY!), and that girls under 18 shouldn't be able to get it without their parent's permission unless they get a court order (the ad painted this as "Romney thinking judges should take the place of parents," or some such idiocy), obviously because there are those rare occasions where the parents are violently abusive or committing acts of incest on the child in question. I'm OK with that...it sounds like a position the evangelicals will loathe, but the majority of Americans agree with what he says in that clip.

Your Pal,
Jubber

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:16 pm

Super-PACs, government and corporate corruption at its finest.

Meowth · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:42 pm

Mns wrote:

This is great, I don't even have to read a single word of this thread to decide that its retarded and you're an even bigger retard for creating it.

I came to a similar conclusion by seeing a 2 page thread on these forums after waking up.

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:19 pm

Azelma wrote:

Super-PACs, government and corporate corruption at its finest.

Rob the bank, blame the banker.

Azelma wrote:

The last time I was unemployed I was 15 years old. That's right, almost 10 years of making money and paying taxes.

You are a clown.

A lot of people of merit don't have jobs, and a lot of stupid people do. From the anecdotes you've shared it's clear that it's certainly not any merit you have that keeps you employed, it's that you never stick your head up. You resemble nothing so much as the characters in Anthem.

If tomorrow you were fired, what skills would you bring to the marketplace that would make you better than the millions of Americans out of work?

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:34 pm

Jubbergun wrote:

Thanks. I was going to wait until later to take credit, but I already netted the two fish I expected. I was expecting more sarcasm from Mayo, so I'm a little disappointed, but all the smug bullshit was present. Aestu served up a truly ridiculous TL;DR that went above and beyond the call of duty. His ability to refute an argument by addressing every point but the ones being made was in rare form, and I believe we're going to end up having to make the post Eternal linked its own thread and permanently sticky it. You know, you'd think someone with a "Bible browser program" installed would have just shaken their head at the article and linked one of the following:

Matthew 19:23-24

Mark 10:24-25

Luke 18:24-25

Of course, that would be assuming that person realizes that brevity is the soul of wit, and doesn't enjoy "the sound of their own voice."

I don't deny that. Hence why I gave kudos to Drominar's post. Just because I don't possess a certain virtue doesn't mean I disdain those who do.

Jubbergun wrote:

Alex Baldwin in that scene is every good salesman I have ever met. They're all dicks...it's why they're good at sales. You have to be a bastard to sell. I had a job as a car salesman for about four months, and I was terrible at it. I was lucky if I sold a car a week. The top sales guy there was a complete bastard, and he sold 30-60 cars a month. The only time I ever saw him show a shred of concern for another person was when he gave me some advice. I had just spent the afternoon showing a guy every single model on the lot. He test drove everything. Finally, on the last test drive, he says, "I think this is the one I want." So as I try to bring him in to get the paperwork process started, he says, "I have to ask my wife first." I came in as the guy left, and the top salesman (why can't I remember his name?) asks me why he's leaving. I told him what happened, and he shook his head and said, "I hate to see you get worked like that by a customer. The next time that happens, ask the guy if he needs his wife to make all his decisions for him."

That was the advice he gave me when he was being nice.

This is the sad part of the story that proves my point: two weeks later, I get a different guy, same deal, test drives everything and starts to walk off on the "need to ask my wife" line. I was in a foul mood, and the guy had really worked my nerves the whole time, so I did exactly what the lead salesman had told me to do. I called "no-balls" on the guy. I asked him if the wife made all the decisions, and then I told him he better hurry home and not give her much time to think, or she might insist he buy one that's pink. Two hours later, he drove off the lot in the car...without talking to his wife.

Those tactics only work on people who are stupid and weak. Self-respecting people are put off by them.

You might make the argument that most people are stupid, but that conclusion would have repercussions that I don't think some of us could handle.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:23 pm

Aestu wrote:

If tomorrow you were fired, what skills would you bring to the marketplace that would make you better than the millions of Americans out of work?

Edit:
You know what, it ain't even worth it. If you're really curious, send me a PM and give you my response.

Fubu is tired of this useless back and forth, and so am I.

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:38 pm

Azelma wrote:

Well my biggest asset is that I can market web sites, with basic skills in designing and coding them.

I know how to optimize a web site for search engines (SEO). I know how to build links to web sites on a massive scale and how to increase their search ranking. I know how to run paid search campaigns, and how to evaluate domains based on search volume and backlinks, as well as how to utilize keyword searches to find untapped niches.

This is a very fancy way of saying you know how to Google.

Azelma wrote:

I could work at a large SEO firm (turned down an offer from one upon my college graduation), I could do freelance consulting work, or just make sites of my own. I could also work in the internet marketing department of any major corporation. While in college I interned for a pharmaceutical company. My first day I took an inventory of all their web sites and gave them hundreds of notes on how they could be optimized for search. Yes, a multi billion dollar company made web site changes based on what a 21 year old college kid told them....and actually saw rankings improvements as a result. If you don't think there's demand for someone with those types of skills, then you're silly.

Yet you didn't. Hmm.

You're not the first intern to get a puffy head.

Azelma wrote:

In addition to those skills, I have managed the books for a small business since its inception, have been trusted with running the bank account, paying all employees on time, preparing W2s, and 1099s, generating financial reports and making projections. I have been entrusted with searching for talent and conducting interviews, and ultimately hiring people while determining their salaries. I also have been in charge of project management, running every staff meeting we have, and making dozens of management decisions every day.

A lot of people with those skills are out of work.

Azelma wrote:

See Aestu, this is where your perception of me being a bumbling idiot who has had everything handed to him just doesn't hold up, no matter how much you want it to. I know what my skills are, I know that I interview well, I know that I have been able to move up in literally EVERY organization I've ever worked for.

That corroborates my impression of you as an asskissing P.H.B.

"The Boss is frequently childish, immature, ignorant, and rude, yet also annoyingly cheerful and oblivious to his own actions..."

Azelma wrote:

You also underestimate my drive. Am I comfortable now? Of course. But if my well being were at risk, I would find work. My parents would not support me. My siblings would not support me. True, they'd probably let me live with them for a bit while I got back on my feet...though that wouldn't be necessary because I do have a savings if I were to find myself unemployed.

Under those conditions, they would be supporting you.

I know you're not a driven person. I know this for a fact based on our dealings.

When something is not easily within your grasp you prevaricate and make excuses. You are quicker to make the argument why you are fine as you are than you are to push yourself forward.

I know this is even true in professional environments based on that interaction you described at work - not that you had a problem, but your extreme emphasis on avoiding the appearance of blame over fixing the problem.

Azelma wrote:

Go ahead, try to poke holes in my statements, tell me how all these skills and talents I described to you are nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Really you're just trying to compensate for the fact that your personal net worth is in virtual gold, and the only thing you've ever managed is a raid.

So? Doesn't change the fact that my views are informed and logical. Most Americans - including, probably, you - have a negative net worth. And who knows what the future will bring?

You idolize Adam Smith, or so you like to claim. All your self-observations have been about the narrowest of white-collar technical skills. Didn't Adam Smith explicitly criticize the free market for allowing such narrow technical skills to take precedence over human wisdom? And aren't you intensely fearful and reluctant to develop that wisdom?

Bottom line is, your only real retort is, "you haev no lief", etc. How does that make your ignorant arguments any more correct?

Mns · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:40 pm

Azelma wrote:

Fubu is tired of this useless back and forth, and so am I.

If you were tired of it, you'd just ignore the aspie and move on with your life, not continually trying to prove your self-worth to someone you apparently don't give a shit about.

Spoiler (highlight to view):

If anything, you're just tired of getting yelled at and ridiculed by multiple people.

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:13 pm

I liked the part where Drominar won.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:33 pm

Damn Aestu got to it before my edit.

Anyway you're right man, I have no skills. If I got fired tomorrow I would crawl up into a little ball and die.

Also:

Aestu wrote:

Azelma wrote:

Well my biggest asset is that I can market web sites, with basic skills in designing and coding them.

I know how to optimize a web site for search engines (SEO). I know how to build links to web sites on a massive scale and how to increase their search ranking. I know how to run paid search campaigns, and how to evaluate domains based on search volume and backlinks, as well as how to utilize keyword searches to find untapped niches.

This is a very fancy way of saying you know how to Google.

This is the single dumbest thing you've ever said. Knowing how to get a site ranked #1 in Google =/= Simply "Knowing how to Google"

Jubbergun · **Posted:** Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:38 pm

You know, I am now curious. Someone keeps saying that a lot of "people of merit" don't work. I am curious about what makes these people so meritorious. I can think of more than a few people who would fit the description of "people of merit," but most of those people who "aren't working" (I say this facetiously, because I don't think "people of merit" ever really stop producing things of value...it's not in them, which is part of what makes them "people of merit," and I don't think many of them consider what they do/have done to be "work") because they've already made their bones. I would like to hear, as briefly as possible, how Aestu would (re)define this ideal to make himself a part of the demographic "of merit."

Honestly, is no one else curious how the guy who lives off the good graces of the parents of whom he speaks more than a little ill finds himself to be more of a "person of merit" than someone who has developed a marketable skill and, if my understanding of the situation is correct, is a minor partner in an enterprise of some sort? I'm not saying commerce is a grand indicator, but I'm not aware of any accomplishments "of merit" Aestu has made...and I am purposely NOT counting 1** mounts and counting.

Your Pal,
Jubber

Aestu · **Posted:** Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:59 am

Jubbergun wrote:

You know, I am now curious. Someone keeps saying that a lot of "people of merit" don't work. I am curious about what makes these people so meritorious. I can think of more than a few people who would fit the description of "people of merit," but most of those people who "aren't working" (I say this facetiously, because I don't think "people of merit" ever really stop producing things of value...it's not in them, which is part of what makes them "people of merit,"

Then you're ignorant. A lot of people who did great things in their lives idled for many years for one reason or another. And clearly I'm not happy with the status quo.

Jubbergun wrote:

and I don't think many of them consider what they do/have done to be "work") because they've already made their bones. I would like to hear, as briefly as possible, how Aestu would (re)define this ideal to make himself a part of the demographic "of merit."

The government made it for you. Just saying.

This itself proves that you really are just typical military welfare trash. Anyone who has genuinely made their way in the world appreciates that life is neither easy nor fair nor balanced.

Jubbergun wrote:

Honestly, is no one else curious how the guy who lives off the good graces of the parents of whom he speaks more than a little ill finds himself to be more of a "person of merit" than someone who has developed a marketable skill and, if my understanding of the situation is correct, is a minor partner in an enterprise of some sort? I'm not saying commerce is a grand indicator, but I'm not aware of any accomplishments "of merit" Aestu has made...and I am purposely NOT counting 1** mounts and counting.

You yourself just wrote a long opinion about what it takes to make a used car salesman. So you're pretty far off the mark equating "marketable" with "meritorious".

If we lived in a Communist country, would you argue that being a committed Marxist is merit?
If we lived in the Middle Ages, would you argue that being a frothing sociopath is merit?

TLDR, I got mine, the world is perfect, etc. That is what your comment boils down to. That the world is perfectly fair and anyone having any difficulty must be bad. It's an inherently ignorant and small-minded viewpoint.

In answer to your question: 3Rs, intelligence, discipline, ability to follow directions, ability to solve problems, ability to work at a task for long periods unattended, integrity, trustworthiness.

Idk, do you have a different definition of "merit"?

Azelma wrote:

This is the single dumbest thing you've ever said. Knowing how to get a site ranked #1 in Google =/= Simply "Knowing how to Google"

You put every keyword that is remotely relevant in your description. Post as many links as possible on as many partner sites as possible. Put whatever bullshit you think will get someone to click on it so you have +1 clicks and get bumped above the zillion sites out there with no clicks.

Create some sort of lame incentive "visit our site" or "friend us on FB" program. Post links on a zillion review sites pretending to be an anonymous patron offering a "tip".

Or you can just log on different IPs and search for your own site and click it. Do this for like six hours and you win.

Am I doing it right?

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