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clearly. as the slave revolts would attest to.

Slavery's still slavery, bro. I don't know what point you're trying to make here.

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Another very major difference between American and Roman culture: the Romans did not believe that individual human life was sacred.

This belief cast slavery in a very different light - it's a much different thing when slavery consists of denying a profound moral concept than when it doesn't.



I didn't say their form of slavery was acceptable, merely that it wasn't comparable to our own.

By the same token, the genocide against the Jews and Native Americans would not be comparable to the genocide against the Cimbri or Japanese (that is to say, what would have been necessary if Hirohito didn't step in).



I would argue that very fact of those revolts underscores the difference.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Don't worry Jubber, if he initiates removal proceedings, my rates are very reasonable.

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You can pretty much tell where people live by their responses in this thread. It is also pretty clear that some of you should revisit your American History, and this time, try to evaluate it with an unbiased eye...if you can.

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The actual point was that it is an irrational fear of something is incredibly unlikely to happen, comparable to the establishment of an Islamic theocracy in the US. You never say never...when you start thinking something can't happen, that's when it does, but for such a thing to happen in the US as things currently are? It's more likely that I'll impregnate Emma Watson in the next year.



Just as a reminder that not everything is about you, please realize that you didn't introduce the topic of the Holocaust into the conversation, Mayo did that with his Godwin, and I think we've adequately covered why it was completely unnecessary and only served to undermine his arguments.



The real reason I responded as I did was because it's one of the ways I point out that what you're saying is wrong. Any other qualities you care to see in my response is probably just the glimmers of your own reflection.


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PS: Found this about the Obama thing, in another thread where Dear Leader supporters try to half-assedly defend him, no less:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201110030013

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I guess anyone can be duped by their expectations and a good carnival huxter. Breitbart isn't much different from the sites running the Ron Paul racism e-mails reports that are suspiciously devoid of any sort of communication between Ron Paul and the racists in question.

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If you don't get it after posting that you should just off yourself. Just because Ron Paul and some racist guy are at the same event it doesn't mean Ron Paul supports the racist guys position. It doesn't matter if they've both been on a conference call, had their picture taken or if one works for the other - individual opinions are individual opinions. Same with Obama. Just because he was at an event with the NBPP doesn't mean he supports them or their positions. Unless the person explicitly states that they support said view or a persons views you shouldn't automatically assume they do. Just because Ron Paul was mentioned in some e-mails between some racists doesn't mean he's a racist. Same with some rednecks. If they wear or show the flag it doesn't mean they're racists. Could it? Sure, but it doesn't mean, "You're showing a confederate flag so you are a racist."

Grow up.

Your hate for Ron Paul, coupled with your bigotry towards conservatives, libertarians and republicans is making you look like that which you hate... and the best part is you don't realize it.

Eturnal does make a good point.

Hardcore liberals like Mayo and Dvergar like to be all righteous and mighty about their views and label conservatives, republicans, whoever else as a bunch of racist, bigoted, mouthbreathing, assholes.

The truth is, they are guilty of generalizing and being just as close-minded with their own views as some fuck from Alabama who says "all Liberals are homosexual hippies who smoke weed all day and are destroying the country"

It's why political extremism is retarded.


Not all liberals are one way, not all conservatives are another way. Stereotyping is the epitome of laziness. Are there correlations and truths in it? Sure. But it doesn't hold true for every person. If you think it holds true, then you're just being willfully ignorant.

If I vote for a republican candidate who I think is truly fiscally conservative, does it mean I agree with him 100% on all the social bullshit issues, or that I'm a racist or hate homosexuals? If I vote for a Democrat who I think will be able to create government jobs and jump start the economy...does that mean I am a huge hippie who wants the US to become socialist?

No. If you see everything as that black and white, you're just being a fuck.

Been there, done that, there's no excuse for these people to be bigoted and ignorant.

Would you insist I live in Germany or Israel or India or any other country with a history of bigotry before saying they're wrong?



Yes it does. Not just because what you describe is politics as we know it but also because Ron Paul has a long established history of racism.



TLDR: "I can't be wrong because no one can be wrong because all distinctions are null so I'm not wrong so you must be wrong."

No - you're just willfully ignorant...and wrong.

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The issues aren't discrete. The common philosophy is "I Got Mine".

As I pointed out, racism and greed in America are two sides of the same coin. A lot of Americans feel deeply threatened by the notion that life might become more fair.



The very fact you actually think that Dvergar and Mayo are political extremists underscores the profundity of your ignorance. The American "left" is as banal and moderate as it gets. Go look at the "left" in any other country - any - and tell me that these people are "extreme".

The only extremists here are the Ron Paul supporters who will support this demagogue no matter how thoroughly disgraced he is...because he promises them free beer and blames everyone else for America's problems.



Ok. Why? Why is things turning around for blacks in America more unlikely than things turning around for Jews in Germany?

Godwin's Law doesn't apply if the analogy is relevant. The parallel between blacks in America and Jews in Germany is relevant.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Oh, look. Aestu is quoting something that...

1) Suggests a white supremacist was treated poorly at the Conservative Political Action Conference.
2) Suggests that one of Ron Paul's guys treated this white supremacist poorly.
3) Was correspondence between two people, neither of whom was Ron Paul.

What it doesn't say is, "Hi, I'm Ron Paul and I support white supremacists!"


Hey Aestu... we're talking about American politics with American politicians, with American voters, racists, FUBU members and whatever else. Since this conversation is almost 100% American, why the fuck would you say, "Hurhur but it's not as bad as it is over there!" If our extremes aren't as extreme as other extremes that doesn't mean they're not extreme within our "American spectrum of extremes."

We get it. Short of being caught on tape raping a small child, you'll support this guy.

Actually, I take that back. You'd probably claim it's a body double or CGI.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Clearly, this e-mail is from some unknown person to someone called "Jamie." This unknown person is saying "Jamie" has a large following and is respected by many white people. This unknown person is also saying they will contact Ron Paul. Ron Paul might get an e-mail that says, "Hay bro, your bro disrespected my bro Jamie... and Jamie has a lot of white people that like him, so..." And then Paul might say, "Cool story bro" and go about his day. In no way is this conversation, or the intent of one to make contact with Ron Paul, evidence that Ron Paul is a racist or that Ron Paul is actively seeking this type of information or following.

The participants are only unknown because you are willfully ignorant.

The very fact you refuse to read the full context to educate yourself only underscores that you are a willfully ignorant bigot.

Also, you'd feel different if the people in question were black. See: Obama.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.