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News story with video



Raw footage:



Another link:

http://reason.com/blog/2012/01/20/video ... ar-old-man

TL,DW:

1. The cop thought he had turned his camera equipment off, they were able to extract the video from the hard drive
2. Guy beaten up is 66 year old man with dementia
3. In the police report the man was charged with battery on a police officer...and they claimed he was approaching the officer "aggressively"
4. They tazed him in the face and put him in the hospital for almost a month


This is the kind of shit that gives all cops a bad rap. People who are corrupted by power and use it to abuse others are weak, pathetic human beings.

That video is not a valid reason to hate cops.

What is a valid reason to hate cops is that even with that captured on tape, the department will still ensure that he is treated less severely than if the situation were reversed and posit every excuse imaginable for his behavior.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

This just in: One bad person ruins everything for others while those who do good rarely get recognized because it is their job.
This also just in: News stations only report on the bad things that happen except some pet story in the final 30 seconds.


Cop loses his job
Guy gets whatever money settlement
Police station now forced to make more cuts and someone else loses their job
People will cry racism and power abuse
Stereotypes will continue
In 3 weeks nobody will remember except those involved



I'll await the next political thread to reach 10 pages.

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No. The cops look out for their own. They would sooner protect the bad guys than cast them out. They stand together, they get damned together. Only fair.





There is absolutely no justification for kicking a 60-year-old man in the balls then tazing him in the face. None.

The very fact you offer an excuse underscores how biased you are and the social influence of the cop mentality.



Will he lose his job? Hmm, we'll see. Even if he's fired he still gets a nice fat pension. Just to remind everyone, of course, whose needs come first.

It is racism and it is abuse of power. The stereotypes are valid, you're just butthurt because you want to pretend they're not because you don't like to think that life is less fair for anyone who isn't you.

The job cuts bit is bullshit. Cops are tenured. The payouts are made by City Hall out of the general fund.
Either way, victim blaming is despicable.

The cops protect their own. If services are undermined, ultimate blame lays with those who protect wrongdoers - not the victims.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I heard somewhere that lawsuits against the police almost never work, mainly because if you sue them, you somehow sue the county.

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Clearly he was being aggressive and such force was warranted.



I don't remember offering any excuses.

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He was walking towards him, I don't see any aggressive behavior, but perhaps it was part of the audio that couldn't be heard.

Once he had him on the ground, it was completely unnecessary to punch him repeatedly in the face. He should have been trying to turn him and cuff him, not beat the shit out of him. The other officer should have assisted his colleague by cuffing the man while he held him down, not tasing him in the face of all places - the man is already neurologically impaired, and he had ample other locations on the man's body that he could've tased instead if he really felt it necessary. I didn't see much resistance from the man once the cop had him pinned face down. He didn't even really seem to be moving except some that may have been from the cop moving around on top of him and him trying to reorient body parts since he appeared to be lying on his arms, so I have no clue why it would be necessary.

Also, c'mon Melbourne. I'd expect to see this out of Orlando if anything. disappoint.

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Because...he said so.

Right, I forgot. Anyone who is subject to any injustice (who isn't you) must have done something wrong.



Use of force =/= inflicting pain for its own sake

Again, the very fact that some people to justify it proves just how damnable both cops and American society in general are.



You're completely missing the point.

You're treating this as a matter of legitimate law enforcement. It's not. This is pure sadism.

If I whack someone with a frying pan, it's not because I need cooking lessons.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I thought the sarcasm was thick enough on the second post, but apparently not. I'll italicize more clearly next time.

Whatever you managed to infer from my post, I'll tell you the true underlying meaning. This thread is doomed to fail by both you responding 12 times to each and every line of a post, Jubbergun throwing in a few one liners and 3 legitimate posts, Eturnal giving 4 posts of varying content, and others will just facepalm and give a 3 line excerpt. I tried to condense it, but go on. Please continue.

it being the whole thread

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I considered that possibility. I generally err on the side of literalism because a lot of people have opinions that are beyond absurd, flatly crazy even.



Not quite. You forgot the 2-3 posts of Meowth snarkiness.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You are, in most sense, both right. I don't understand why you bother picking Meowth's post apart.

I would say that it's unfortunate that decent people have to suffer from the mistakes of others around them, but all six of the pricks ran to the scene for what they'll later label "necessary protocol." If rhyming wasn't enough jazz for this post, imagine a gif of this scene where they continue to send in numerous cops until the entire gif is a cop collage.

mayo, police officers getting sued would end up being the city. sheriff/deputies would be county, troopers would be state.

Or, in cases where the officer acted against explicit policy or far outside the bounds of excusable behavior the civil suit against city/county/state will be thrown out and the suit against the officer allowed to continue.

Unless the 'officer' is the district attorney's detective, in which case he can do whatever he wants, including knowingly lie on the stand and falsify charges, and still not be held responsible.

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I watched the raw footage first, those were my initial responses to only the video without hearing any other information about the case. I got the point - nothing they said correlated with ANY part of what we see in the video. This was abuse of authority to a disgusting degree. I don't know how the civilian watching didn't get mixed up in it, I don't know if I could sit by and watch that happen.

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