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 Post subject: Re: BRB moving to Portugal
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:06 am  
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Alcohol is a drug...and you say it's not comparable to hard drugs...fine, how does it compare to Weed, currently an illegal substance???


It's less dangerous. Apathy is an enormously socially destructive force.


1. You don't think alcoholics are apathetic?
2. The statistics of people who die from alcohol poisoning/alcohol-related automobile accidents versus the statistics of people who OD on weed would like a word with you
3. Have you ever seen people drunk? When was the last time you heard about a guy getting high on weed and starting a fight?

Arguing that alcohol is less dangerous than marijuana is absurd. The fact is, you're okay with it because it's legal. Congrats, you're letting the government legislate your own morality.

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Weed is addictive. Any argument to the contrary is pure propaganda. Anyone who knows a pothead, and I'm pretty sure everyone here does, knows firsthand what a lie that is.


There is a difference between physical addiction and mental addiction. Weed is not physically addicting. You experience no withdrawal symptoms of any kind if you go too long without it after continuous usage.

Mental addiction is completely different, and people can get mentally addicted to any number of things. Yes, you can be mentally addicted to pot (potheads), or exercise, or shopping, or WoW, and so on.

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Chemical escapism is a social evil because it breeds apathy and undermines morality. People should not be allowed to escape from reality by popping pills because it disincentivizes changing it. That is a cost paid by everyone, not just the user.


What about the escapism that is video games/online gaming? Is that socially acceptable even though it has very clearly been proven to be a problem for many people?

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The drug war is not expensive compared to other programs and activities


What other programs and activities, specifically? Also, please provide actual numbers to back up this generalization.


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 Post subject: Re: BRB moving to Portugal
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:59 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
1. You don't think alcoholics are apathetic?
2. The statistics of people who die from alcohol poisoning/alcohol-related automobile accidents versus the statistics of people who OD on weed would like a word with you
3. Have you ever seen people drunk? When was the last time you heard about a guy getting high on weed and starting a fight?

Arguing that alcohol is less dangerous than marijuana is absurd. The fact is, you're okay with it because it's legal. Congrats, you're letting the government legislate your own morality.


All laws are driven by notions of morality.

I truly believe that apathy is much more socially dangerous than violence.

Azelma wrote:
There is a difference between physical addiction and mental addiction. Weed is not physically addicting. You experience no withdrawal symptoms of any kind if you go too long without it after continuous usage.

Mental addiction is completely different, and people can get mentally addicted to any number of things. Yes, you can be mentally addicted to pot (potheads), or exercise, or shopping, or WoW, and so on.


Irrelevant. Potheads are a destructive social force, arguably even more so if they have jobs.

Apathy is a social poison.

Azelma wrote:
What about the escapism that is video games/online gaming? Is that socially acceptable even though it has very clearly been proven to be a problem for many people?


Yes. Perception =/= chemical influence.

Azelma wrote:
Aestu wrote:
The drug war is not expensive compared to other programs and activities
What other programs and activities, specifically? Also, please provide actual numbers to back up this generalization.


Social Security, military spending, public infrastructure, corporate law. Short of providing numbers, I feel pretty confident saying the drug war doesn't cost a third our federal budget and that misdemeanor cases are both cheaper and more relevant than the corporate law circus. Or do you disagree?


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