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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:56 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
Nowadays it just isn't like that with LFD. If you happen to get someone good it's "whew, lucked out there!"


Let's group agai...

you're on another realm :(


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 2:57 pm  
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I will admit that I long for the early days of wow. It was the first game I'd ever played and the friendships I made were great. I still talk to Havard and Igni from time to time. WoW has always been primarily about the social aspect for me. Since Reverence fell apart,and I don't talk to the IRL friends of mine that played anymore, I have no reason to go back. I am playing SWTOR, but I only know one other person on the server (Maz).


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:02 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:04 am  
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Yeah I gotta agree and with the friends I have that still play they either play very little or the friendship isn't the same anymore :\
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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:15 pm  
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The state of the game is not good at the moment. There are the newb kids that brag about item level when they are in gear that is not enchanted/gemmed/or ideal for their spec. There are way too many people spamming trade trying to start new "hard core" guilds that cannot down three bosses in DS. You cannot pug a rogue for your group without them expecting you to give them the quest items for the legendary daggers even if you already have a rogue. LFD and LFR have killed alot of recruiting efforts and the sense of a real community. I still remember players that I would regularly run dungeons with in BC and early Wrath and now you get assholes that roll need on everything just because they can.

The state of warlocks goes like this, a great warlock will beat anyone, a good warlock will get frustrated by the fact that dungeon fights are over before you get a third dot up, and bad warlocks will take gear that they did not earn and piss off the frustrated warlocks. I find myself playing Baneleaf less and less as a raider/pvp and more for achievments and completionism. I look forward to account-wide achievements since I used other toons to fill raid spots when needed and have achievments that I did not get on Baneleaf (he will always be my main even if I play another toon more). Warlock pvp is in a nice place. Arena represntation is good and locks in bgs are fun as hell, at least at high levels. I have a level 44 lock that I play around on from time to time and hunters are way too OP until around level 60 when other classes catch up. Locks will always be a class that needs some sort of skill to play and cannot be facerolled.


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 2:16 pm  
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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 4:14 pm  
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The ego that is so commonly seen now probably stems from the fact that it's ridiculously easy to obtain epics. They either need to stop implementing so many epics or create another type of quality gear - probably in between rare and epic.


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 5:46 pm  
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Jushiro wrote:
Azelma wrote:
Nowadays it just isn't like that with LFD. If you happen to get someone good it's "whew, lucked out there!"


Let's group agai...

you're on another realm :(


You can cross-realm group as RealID friends as long as you're the same faction. So if any of you guys play horde someplace else, we should do heroics or something. i need achieeeves and mayo totally left after he got his dargon :(


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 7:51 pm  
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Star Wars has those inbetweens. I don't even know what they're called still.
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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:16 pm  
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Jushiro wrote:
Let's group agai...

you're on another realm :(


You can add people to RealID and group with them cross-realm now. In practice it never happens because queueing with anyone forfeits the satchel and most people don't want to disclose their real name to randoms.

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You can cross-realm group as RealID friends as long as you're the same faction. So if any of you guys play horde someplace else, we should do heroics or something. i need achieeeves and mayo totally left after he got his dargon :(


My 85 lock is a belf. Hit me up if you need.

I saw you in Uldum. You didn't emote back. I'm guessing you were in a rush to get to skool?

Xeoni wrote:
The ego that is so commonly seen now probably stems from the fact that it's ridiculously easy to obtain epics. They either need to stop implementing so many epics or create another type of quality gear - probably in between rare and epic.

...is to gear as eating utensils are to sporks.

Dvergar wrote:
Then you have the elitists complaining that they can't be elitists anymore, which is a shit argument honestly. If your happiness in a game depends on your ability to look down on someone else you've got a problem.


This line of reasoning is pure projection.

People try to excel in all realms. If outcomes were equalized in sports no one would play them either, not even pick-up games at the park. There's a reason that seniors who still have most of their faculties play poker or bridge and the more marginal ones play bingo.

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Kayllaira wrote:
we should just make an all gnome guild

fixt


...is to a tauren in a china shop as is to a female squidgoat in a...


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:36 pm  
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DoubleH wrote:
The little things in this game is what used to make it awesome. Things like leaving SW/ORG in order to do things. I really think the world atmosphere started really tanking when they introduced flying mounts, the idea of flying mounts was awesome and I was super excited for them but it didn't take long for them to ruin world PvP.


SW should have been a no-fly zone. New SW felt a lot more awesome on PTR seeing it from the ground point of view. It feels way too surreal with huge flyers everywhere. Even in Mario 64 there's gravity.

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I also never thought I would say it but doing attunements / acquiring resistance gear(even having to get your own consumables ><) made the raids feel that much more awesome.


At 60/70 consumables were not always-up because they were more expensive. Now, you can pretty much go everywhere fully flasked. Content at 60/70 was tuned much more aggressively and flasks would actually make a difference. Content these days, at all levels, is simply not tuned that aggressively and the result is that flasks are just another pointless grind.

Same with enchants. Economy and balance meant that people didn't gem and enchant literally every piece of gear they got. Today, I don't really see why I spend an hour screwing with gems/reforging/enchanting etc. It's not like the gear or the gems/enchants are actually special or something. It's a pure time sink.

For all the talk about how time consuming vanilla/TBC was, the truth is that Cata is the most grindy expansion ever. By far.

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I kind of miss having 8p bonus's especially with places like DragonSoul which only have one of each slot per class in it anyway, they overlap a bit like one pair of dps bracers for rets, warriors and DK's could have easily been made into a token for those 3 class's and added another bonus down the line.


It's the stupidest thing imaginable that in DS, most slots, for most classes, have literally one option. Uno. There is no upgrade or alternative.

(People who have quit, I'm completely not exaggerating. Most slots have exactly one option.)

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I'm also not a huge fan of 10ms in general. With a 40/25m it took a lot more work to have a competitive raid but it felt a lot more "epic" to down a boss with 39 other guys rather then 9 and I think having more people in a raid made the strats more interesting. Nowadays the only options is do you 2 heal or 3 heal 1 tank or 2 tank, I remember loading up on dps in 25ms and bringing like 4 healers who would chug pots and work there ass's off because a fight had a hard enrage. But having been a raid leader of both 25's and 10's it is way easier to organize a 10m :

As far as the server as a whole, it is sad that there aren't really any 25m's anymore and kind of disappointing that my team is like server 8th and we only raid 2-2.5 nights a week especially considering every other week we miss out on our progression raid due to people having work/holidays/other shit come up(stupid 10m's "oh you don't have a rogue tonight? can't do that boss" "Oh your disc priest had to work? cant do that boss" so annoying ><).[


10-mans appeal to people who don't have the strength of character to function in a 25-man raid, where not everyone is your buddy and you're in direct competition with at least one other person in and out of the raid. This is the general rule and not the exception of team-based sports. It is also why false elitism has risen to such ridiculous extremes.

In a 25-man, the guild was more than the sum of its parts. RM went through 4-5 GMs through its history. Same with most other 25-man guilds. This meant that to function, again, a player had to be a team player first. These entitled kids can't do that.

And yeah, 10-mans are much closer to 5-mans than 25-mans, which makes them feel small and boring. I only raid with my current team because I was asked to. Modern raiding feels more like farming fivemans than anything else.

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I kind of hate valor gear/BH/LFR as well. I think that is whats killed the raiding community the most, back in vanilla if people wanted epic gear they had to go work as a team and raid for it and thus you had tons of people who wanted to raid and we had piles of 40m raiding guilds running around. Now with the "welfare epics" you get less and less people that care about the competition aspect. I do get that the game is all about having fun and a lot of people still have fun porting into raids with strangers and /rolling on gear and I like the fact that people who can't raid 5 days a week still get to see end boss's. But at the same time it was awesome back in the day to see a full glad walk by or a guy with his 8/8T2.


Has nothing to do with fun and everything about kids with no lives who want gear so they can be cool in the virtual world.


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:43 pm  
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Baneleaf wrote:
There are way too many people spamming trade trying to start new "hard core" guilds that cannot down three bosses in DS.


False elitism from kids with no frame of reference who think everyone but them is either bad or has no lief.

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You cannot pug a rogue for your group without them expecting you to give them the quest items for the legendary daggers even if you already have a rogue.


The basic problem is that the daggers can be completed without committing to a fixed raid group or doing hard modes. In fact, unlike all preceding legendaries, the drop rate is exactly the same on normal and heroic, which is absolutely retarded.

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LFD and LFR have killed alot of recruiting efforts and the sense of a real community. I still remember players that I would regularly run dungeons with in BC and early Wrath and now you get assholes that roll need on everything just because they can.


Honestly, these days I roll need on everything because I have zero compassion or sympathy for LFD DPS. 99% of the time they don't respect me or my efforts or respond when spoken to, they just autoattack or hit random buttons and go afk whenever they want, and only speak up to pottymouth. So screw them.

I only do LFD for satchels, and only stick with the group if it's in progress. If someone actually deserves something I'll trade it to them after the fact.

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The state of warlocks goes like this, a great warlock will beat anyone, a good warlock will get frustrated by the fact that dungeon fights are over before you get a third dot up, and bad warlocks will take gear that they did not earn and piss off the frustrated warlocks.


Very accurate.

Monotheist wrote:
Yeah I gotta agree and with the friends I have that still play they either play very little or the friendship isn't the same anymore :\


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:08 am  
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Aestu wrote:

My 85 lock is a belf. Hit me up if you need.

I saw you in Uldum. You didn't emote back. I'm guessing you were in a rush to get to skool?


Will do, and I /cheered back at you :P My internet has been awful lately even after replacing the modem and router so sometime the lag gets me, not sure if that's what happened lol. S'why I've just been mostly farming easy achievements and leveling alts :(


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:41 am  
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Aestu wrote:
10-mans appeal to people who don't have the strength of character to function in a 25-man raid, where not everyone is your buddy and you're in direct competition with at least one other person in and out of the raid. This is the general rule and not the exception of team-based sports. It is also why false elitism has risen to such ridiculous extremes.

In a 25-man, the guild was more than the sum of its parts. RM went through 4-5 GMs through its history. Same with most other 25-man guilds. This meant that to function, again, a player had to be a team player first. These entitled kids can't do that.

10-mans are easier to organize and require only the people that you can count on. There was always a core of 8 or so people in every raid that basically ran the instance for everyone else. There's a reason that pretty much everyone went to 10-mans when the loot was the same. Not to mention that 95% of every pug 25-man (even in lolwrath) was a gibbering, pulsing abortion. I almost always passed gear to other people except if it was a gigantic upgrade if I knew them. What I'm not interested in is pissing away hours of time and hundreds of gold on consumables (as if flasking in DS saved you against the guy who couldn't click the Ultrax fade thing) and repair bills only to down a boss, see some loot that I want and, thanks to loot homogenization, have 8-10 people out of a 25-man raid roll on it, especially when over half of them didn't do anything except for clicking their abilities as hard as they can.

10-mans appeal to people with schedules and only want to raid with their friends that can play well. Then again, I don't really expect you to know anything about having to do things besides WoW and having friends.

PS: You've been gkicked for your bullshit from half of the 25-man guilds on the server and the other half refused to have anything to do with you. The problem lies with them, of course.


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Honestly, these days I roll need on everything because I have zero compassion or sympathy for LFD DPS. 99% of the time they don't respect me or my efforts or respond when spoken to, they just autoattack or hit random buttons and go afk whenever they want, and only speak up to pottymouth. So screw them.

Tanks with superiority complexes were the biggest damn headache in LFD.

Also, warlocks in Cataclysm are the best they've ever been in terms of fun. The "rotation" is fun and at times challenging and I could still blow people up in PVP in full PVE gear. I don't know dick about affliction because destro's the way to go.

Just learn to, as beel put it, "backload" your spells in PVP and get a lot of practice in PVE and you'll be fine.


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 Post subject: Re: gonna play again
PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:17 pm  
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pvp mang


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