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Legally, they can't until they're 18.


He destroyed a gift that he got his child out of a petty backlash to try and get her to behave.


She's a stupid 15 year old girl. He's a 40-something man who knows better.


Well, that's exactly what this was. All he did was yell at his kid for 6 minutes and then blow up her computer.

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This. Again, your parents gave you the gift of life...and if you made it to age 18 being fed, clothed, and educated without any serious issues caused directly by them - you should be thankful.



Last time I checked being libertarian isn't exactly "popular" and I have some libertarian viewpoints but would not call myself a strict libertarian. You forget my mother received the benefits of food stamps as a child...so I agree with some social programs wholeheartedly, I also believe in government controlled healthcare, which sets me apart from many libertarians. Anyway, I don't want to start a whole unrelated shit storm, just wanted to get that out of the way. I don't switch political parties or candidates or anything in an effort to be "popular" I change viewpoints when I'm presented with evidence to why my original thoughts were flawed. Unlike you, I'm not set in my ways.




How do you explain situations when siblings of similar ages act completely differently? One is a "golden child" while the other acts out and is a complete brat? How could parents go so right with one child, but so wrong with another?

You give parents way too much credit. Starting at age what 6...kids start to go to school, they interact with their peers, they interact with many other adults, teachers, etc. As a human you are a sum of many interactions...your parents are not the only people who have the ability to influence you. If you become a shitty person, it's a copout to say 100% this is all my parents fault. Blaming your parents for your own personal failings is pathetic.



You are also ignoring the point here. This brat is complaining about having to wash some counter tops, and sweep the floor. Do you know how many starving children around the world would give their right arm to have a few chores be the worst part of their day?

It's not a situation of 'one is right the other is wrong.'

The girl has entitlement issues. The father has the responsibility in conducting himself in a manner consistent with others his age and with his knowledge (shared among you, myself, Mayo, Tuhl and god knows who else) that a few chores are not a big deal at all.

A few chores aren't a big deal. Getting paid for chores??? Roffle! My dad had tons of things I'd do as a child (and still do without being asked as I still live under their roof) for no money or expectation of payment. It was unheard of. My dad did have a habit of every now and then rewarding me with money for an exceptional job done. This was not intended to finance iPods or video games. It was to promote the idea that working hard and doing a job well will result in being rewarded. It is foolish to assume his rewarding me with money for jobs done exceptionally well had anything to do with the actual money. If I got a few bucks for shoveling snow, great. That's gone in a days time. My work ethic has paid me off more than anything. He used psychological Jedi mind tricks to allow me to connect hard work with benefit. At the same time, I wouldn't get a dime if I demanded payment.

I agree with you there. Do you think it's possible for her to be spoiled and have entitlement issues while at the same time her father handled it completely wrong?

The fact that she has entitlement issues does not negate the fact that her father humiliated her in front of millions of viewers and reinforced the thinking that property should not be respected. This was one of his complaints if I recall. Then he proceeds to dump a clip into a laptop that he paid for. Property is not to be respected is the message he sends through his actions.

He humiliated her. 'People are not to be respected'

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I'll admit this father could certainly have handled the situation differently.



The point he was making was two-fold.

1.) "You humiliated your parents by posting disrespectful stuff about us in a public forum....now I'm going to humiliate you by posting about this situation on a public forum. It doesn't feel good does it?"

She certainly will think twice before saying such things about her parents again on social media.

As for the property, his point was:

2.) "We worked and earned the money that purchased this laptop for you. Having this laptop was a privilege and you were fortunate to have me going so far as to upgrade it for you. Instead of being grateful, you decided to complain about all the "terrible" chores we make you do and how unfair we are.

So now, I'm going to take away this laptop, which is my right because I bought it...and I can do with it what I please. The next laptop you own will be one that you purchased with your own money. You disrespect people who give you gifts, you lose those gifts because you obviously don't appreciate or deserve them."

Life is not a gift. It is a consequence of sperm meeting egg.

Parents have an obligation to not only ensure their childrens' well-being but also their capacity to get on in the world.



That doesn't make you less of a libertarian, it just makes you a self-serving hypocrite, like all libertarians. It just means that you oppose anything that doesn't benefit you, personally.



Parents often treat different children differently for reasons that are not rational. Middle Child Syndrome is a common and well-recognized example of this.



None of which matter as much as parents. The notion that parents don't bear responsibility for their childrens' character is gold-plated horseshit sold by shrinks who will say whatever gets them money for telling people what they want to hear - that they aren't shitty parents when they are.


No argument there. But then again, how did the kid get to be so bratty?

I don't disapprove of putting a bullet through the laptop. What I do disapprove of is the childish and impulsive way in which this guy did it. It's a lot easier to go on a tirade and lash out than it is to commit to the steady, constant effort that is good parenting.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

There's a legal question (not that it will ever be followed up) on whether title to the laptop passed from father to daughter upon gifting. If so, it was destruction of property. This "he bought it so it's his" horseshit won't hold up under the law.

It's kind of too bad, though. He almost sounds like a decent, rational human being based on that back-and-forth Eturnal posted. He appears to have massive heat-of-the-moment anger issues, and that's a crippling character flaw.

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I believe life is a gift we have all been given. If you choose not to believe that, that's your business.



How do food stamps or government regulated healthcare benefit me personally now? I realize how food stamps helped my family when we were struggling, so I think that they should exist for others in the same situations. Same with healthcare...I have insurance, but I realize many people don't. I believe this isn't right. Really I get no benefit from supporting these programs and being happy to have my tax dollars go towards them. This is an unselfish viewpoint...though I'll admit I can be self-serving at times, this just isn't the case in the two examples I cited of non-libertarian policies.



Read it again. I never said parents have 0 responsibility for how their children turn out. I said they aren't 100% responsible. And yes, shrinks are all quacks.

By whom? What if the baby is unwanted? Are we going to bring God into this?

I don't mind admitting I wish my parents had not allowed me to survive birth.



Because you're not dead or socially marginal. You are at some level aware that you owe all that you have to the very programs you oppose. Cognitive dissonance is a major driving force in the libertarian movement. It drives much of the profound hostility towards the marginal elements of our society.

The latter half is just typical Azelma shifting views depending on the context.



Fair enough but you are giving them far too little credit. Note that while all those things have no power over the relationship between parent and child, the parent has the power to separate their child from any and all of those things, and influence their dealings thereof - and if they choose not to exercise that power, that's the parents' failing.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

i was wondering how long it would be until this moron got posted.

and as usual, the thread is TL:DR

That's not what I got out of either the video or the interview follow-ups, what he did was rational, even if it was a little warped. He had told his daughter that if she screwed up like that again, he was going to fill the laptop full of bullets. Sure, that sounds like the sort of exaggerated bullshit you generally hear from parents at their wit's end, but he was serious. Either he follows through and does it, showing his daughter that when he says something, he means it, or he doesn't, and gives his daughter the impression that what comes out of his mouth is bullshit.

If I were going to ruin my kid's laptop out of anger, I'd be using a sledgehammer, not a handgun. It's more enjoyable.

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Literally the best day of the week when you're a kid.

Lazy parent finally gets taken to the edge and asplodes. No surprises here. Shit parents turn out shit kids.

You should have more respect for your parents than to talk that way about them on an internet forum. Don't make them shoot your laptop.

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I find myself siding with Eturnal on this one. I don't buy the whole "shooting her laptop was a bad idea because you're older than she is" argument because the point of doing so was so that she wouldn't forget like she did the last time. Will it work? Well, let's just say that I don't think even I will forget it...

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