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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:03 pm  
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Lazy parent finally gets taken to the edge and asplodes. No surprises here. Shit parents turn out shit kids.


You should have more respect for your parents than to talk that way about them on an internet forum. Don't make them shoot your laptop.

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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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I was stoked to get a dollar a week for the ice cream truck.


Literally the best day of the week when you're a kid.

My mom would refuse to pay my agreed-upon allowance and invent all kinds of cruddy excuses why not.

Yeah, I'm bitter.

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Lazy parent finally gets taken to the edge and asplodes. No surprises here. Shit parents turn out shit kids.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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I think the measure of validity of any given position for any given subject can be quantified by how many people that hate the piss out of each other / disagree with each other about every other argument on FUBU actually agree with each other in a particular scenario.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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How does anyone here know for sure what the guy did wasn't the best decision? Parenting is not one way or the highway. My parents gave me everything I ever asked for. Literally, everything. They drove me wherever I wanted to go. I got a brand new car at 16. They didn't ask or force me to get a job. I didn't have set chores to do. My mom would still rather me stay at home than move into an apartment, even on my own dime, or even pay for my car, phone, health insurance, etc. They never forced me to major in something that they thought would be "best for me". And it's not only me, my sisters were raised the same way. Many people would think that such parenting is terrible and that when I am on my own I won't know how to take care of myself. Well, I would disagree.

We all turned out great. I managed to churn out perfect grades, hold a number of jobs, do volunteering work, have yet to try any form of illegal drug, and above all I respect and admire my parents and appreciate everything they have done for me. There is no way I can repay the debt I owe them, but I will do my best to repay as much as I can. I also plan on raising my kids in a similar fashion.

Now I get to hear about how I am an exception. Well, how about my sisters? Friends? Anyone else I know that have parents who give the world to their children? Who are any of you to say that our parents were terrible and that yours were better for raising you a different way? Who's to say that this father's actions weren't the perfect dose of tough love that will change this girl's future for the better?

I'll answer - you all are nobody.

EDIT: I'll admit that my opinions on how everyone should respect their parents stem from cultural roots. We were raised differently. For example, no matter how old we get, if parents ask you to do something, you have to do it. Second, there's none of that kicking out when we turn 18 bullshit. Similarly, there's no putting parents into old people homes when we think they're too old to live with us. Not that we feel like we have to keep them, but because we wouldn't DREAM of such nonsense, just as they wouldn't have ever DREAMED of putting us out at 18. Like I said, it's a cultural difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Fantastique wrote:
How does anyone here know for sure what the guy did wasn't the best decision? Parenting is not one way or the highway. My parents gave me everything I ever asked for. Literally, everything. They drove me wherever I wanted to go. I got a brand new car at 16. They didn't ask or force me to get a job. I didn't have set chores to do. My mom would still rather me stay at home than move into an apartment, even on my own dime, or even pay for my car, phone, health insurance, etc. They never forced me to major in something that they thought would be "best for me". And it's not only me, my sisters were raised the same way. Many people would think that such parenting is terrible and that when I am on my own I won't know how to take care of myself. Well, I would disagree.

We all turned out great. I managed to churn out perfect grades, hold a number of jobs, do volunteering work, have yet to try any form of illegal drug, and above all I respect and admire my parents and appreciate everything they have done for me. There is no way I can repay the debt I owe them, but I will do my best to repay as much as I can. I also plan on raising my kids in a similar fashion.

Now I get to hear about how I am an exception. Well, how about my sisters? Friends? Anyone else I know that have parents who give the world to their children? Who are any of you to say that our parents were terrible and that yours were better for raising you a different way? Who's to say that this father's actions weren't the perfect dose of tough love that will change this girl's future for the better?

I'll answer - you all are nobody.

EDIT: I'll admit that my opinions on how everyone should respect their parents stem from cultural roots. We were raised differently. For example, no matter how old we get, if parents ask you to do something, you have to do it. Second, there's none of that kicking out when we turn 18 bullshit. Similarly, there's no putting parents into old people homes when we think they're too old to live with us. Not that we feel like we have to keep them, but because we wouldn't DREAM of such nonsense, just as they wouldn't have ever DREAMED of putting us out at 18. Like I said, it's a cultural difference.


I would argue that like many Indian and Chinese kids, you were treated like a prince with the expectation you would be equal to the task of inheriting the kingdom.

Your parents probably had a lot of confidence in you and unequivocal supportiveness. Mine certainly didn't, and don't underestimate the importance of that.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:09 am  
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Aestu wrote:
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How does anyone here know for sure what the guy did wasn't the best decision? Parenting is not one way or the highway. My parents gave me everything I ever asked for. Literally, everything. They drove me wherever I wanted to go. I got a brand new car at 16. They didn't ask or force me to get a job. I didn't have set chores to do. My mom would still rather me stay at home than move into an apartment, even on my own dime, or even pay for my car, phone, health insurance, etc. They never forced me to major in something that they thought would be "best for me". And it's not only me, my sisters were raised the same way. Many people would think that such parenting is terrible and that when I am on my own I won't know how to take care of myself. Well, I would disagree.

We all turned out great. I managed to churn out perfect grades, hold a number of jobs, do volunteering work, have yet to try any form of illegal drug, and above all I respect and admire my parents and appreciate everything they have done for me. There is no way I can repay the debt I owe them, but I will do my best to repay as much as I can. I also plan on raising my kids in a similar fashion.

Now I get to hear about how I am an exception. Well, how about my sisters? Friends? Anyone else I know that have parents who give the world to their children? Who are any of you to say that our parents were terrible and that yours were better for raising you a different way? Who's to say that this father's actions weren't the perfect dose of tough love that will change this girl's future for the better?

I'll answer - you all are nobody.

EDIT: I'll admit that my opinions on how everyone should respect their parents stem from cultural roots. We were raised differently. For example, no matter how old we get, if parents ask you to do something, you have to do it. Second, there's none of that kicking out when we turn 18 bullshit. Similarly, there's no putting parents into old people homes when we think they're too old to live with us. Not that we feel like we have to keep them, but because we wouldn't DREAM of such nonsense, just as they wouldn't have ever DREAMED of putting us out at 18. Like I said, it's a cultural difference.


I would argue that like many Indian and Chinese kids, you were treated like a prince with the expectation you would be equal to the task of inheriting the kingdom.

Your parents probably had a lot of confidence in you and unequivocal supportiveness. Mine certainly didn't, and don't underestimate the importance of that.


Pretty much what Aestu said. I disagree with the notion of blaming parents for every little thing, but I don't think that's at play in this example. Once you are self aware enough and have enough worldly experience to recognize your own failings as a person, you shouldn't blame your parents.

Your choices are:

1) Acknowledge your parents are human, and therefore prone to mistakes. Take it upon yourself to do whatever you can for yourself to be successful

2) Give up, fuck off, DIAF.


That's exactly what it boils down to. If you had a shitty upbringing, you can't live the rest of your life looking back. You need to understand that blaming your parents, whether the blame is misdirected or justified, will not be productive and will not improve your circumstances.


The reason this is an issue in this scenario is because the kid is fucking 15 years old. Judging by her massive attitude, she's probably left their podunk town a handful of times, if that. She has no idea there are kids out there that would give their right arm to use a laptop with their left one. Her world is a 50 mile radius. She strikes me as extremely sheltered and a 'daddy's little princess' type. There is still time for her parents to amend the situation, and flipping out on youtube will not accomplish that. I don't care who you are or what values you have. This is a concrete fact that is not a point of debate. Shooting a laptop and making a spectacle will not make things any better.

If it does, it's a temporary fix. It's a bandaid fix to an issue that requires surgery. The core issues will not be resolved, she'll just be silenced and that'll be the end of it. She won't understand the necessity of a good work ethic or respect her housekeeper. She just won't be vocal about it. That isn't good parenting, sorry if you feel otherwise.


You can 'teach your kid a lesson', or you can actually teach them a lesson, in the literal sense, not in the reckless and gung ho way that this man did.


He means well, and has good intentions, and this is how he was raised and what he believes. I'm not saying he doesn't love her and care about her, but he needs to rethink his methodology.


@Fanta, I agree with your cultural standpoint that families should embrace a more inclusive role, where children aren't kicked out the second they ding 18 and parents are able to retire with dignity, and not rotting away as a burden to some nursing home staff that doesn't know them at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 5:17 am  
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Aestu wrote:
I would argue that like many Indian and Chinese kids, you were treated like a prince with the expectation you would be equal to the task of inheriting the kingdom.

Your parents probably had a lot of confidence in you and unequivocal supportiveness. Mine certainly didn't, and don't underestimate the importance of that.


No matter what my parents did that happened to piss me off, or whatever events made me decide they were jerks....they always impressed upon me the idea that I could be whoever I wanted to be, and could achieve whatever I wanted to achieve.

You're exactly right that a lack of confidence can certainly be damaging to child. I think in this video....the father is disappointed in part because he thought his daughter would know better,

In any case - I still am quite respectful to my parents and thank them for everything they did for me. It's not a cultural thing (I'm extremely white), it's just a respect thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Respect is earned, not given away. Except in the case of parents and children of course - then it is given away...with the condition that the other party hold up their end of the bargain.

My parents gradually lost my respect because I came to realize they simply did not care. I'm no longer 15 years old, but I still live with the problems they created on a day-to-day basis. I struggle forward, but the problems are pretty massive and I don't see them being overcome.

Being intelligent is actually a serious handicap because most educational professionals adopt an attitude of "well, he's smart, so someone else will give him a leg up." This is why I tend to react with intense anger when people praise my intelligence.

I would be the first to admit that, as my mother whimsically opinioned, "You'll be dead or in jail by thirty." Call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It's easy to minimize others' problems when you don't have any.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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Azelma wrote:
Aestu wrote:
I would argue that like many Indian and Chinese kids, you were treated like a prince with the expectation you would be equal to the task of inheriting the kingdom.

Your parents probably had a lot of confidence in you and unequivocal supportiveness. Mine certainly didn't, and don't underestimate the importance of that.


No matter what my parents did that happened to piss me off, or whatever events made me decide they were jerks....they always impressed upon me the idea that I could be whoever I wanted to be, and could achieve whatever I wanted to achieve.

You're exactly right that a lack of confidence can certainly be damaging to child. I think in this video....the father is disappointed in part because he thought his daughter would know better,

In any case - I still am quite respectful to my parents and thank them for everything they did for me. It's not a cultural thing (I'm extremely white), it's just a respect thing.



They can both be in the wrong. Father and daughter. Which in this case, they are.

It's not a matter of hurpdurp ur entitled to ur apinon lulz


It was not only damaging what he did, it was a missed teaching opportunity. Like I said, if this does anything, it will only shut her up. It won't teach her why such concepts are important.


For the record, I used to be similar to her. I cringe because I've made the exact same bullshit rationale that because my parents employ the services of a housekeeper (at least in the past), I didn't have to clean.

I know how fucked up that is now, and I know why it's fucked up as well. What's more, my parents didn't have to shoot up a laptop and post it on youtube to drive the point home. Even MORE, not to toot my own horn, but I have developed my work ethic as a young adult to a point that many people that know me admire.


Aestu wrote:
Respect is earned, not given away. Except in the case of parents and children of course - then it is given away...with the condition that the other party hold up their end of the bargain.


This is exactly right. I'll add on to this and say that if your child stops respecting you, that is NOT a free pass to do the same to them. As a parent, you take on a role of setting the example, whether you like it or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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I'd bet money that the same FOX news bible thumpers that think we need more parents like this would be the first to tune in to Nancy Grace and call for his castration 'so more children don't suffer' had this gone the other way, and ended with his daughter's suicide.


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Battletard wrote:
FOX news bible thumpers


Those people are lazy, shitty parents who talk about "limited government" then turn around and demand that the government solve all their problems rather than putting an axe through the TV because they're too busy shooting themselves up with Xanax and Botox.


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Battletard wrote:

@Fanta, I agree with your cultural standpoint that families should embrace a more inclusive role, where children aren't kicked out the second they ding 18 and parents are able to retire with dignity, and not rotting away as a burden to some nursing home staff that doesn't know them at all.


Fuck nursing homes. My family will never end up in one. I've had way too many bad experiences dealing with the people who work at them that I could never subject someone to it. I've told my mom she'll live in my pool house 8)

In any case, I'd have to say that while I agree that this wasn't the best way to handle things, I think his intentions were good. I just remember being 15 and I would NEVER put someone on blast like this. While their family may be embarrassed and other parents may criticize them for allowing such posts to exist, it is NOTHING compared to the torment that other children could subject this girl to. Kids. Are. MEAN.


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 Post subject: Re: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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I think it's funny how the only people who are butt-hurt over this all are the arm-chair child psychologists who think they know this family (father and daughter) better than they know each other. Some people have been making huge assumptions and leaps with all their derpity derping about this issue - like the girl has entitlement issues, that the parents are bad parents and they made a bad kid, that she's going to kill herself, he should act better, etc. It's the biggest non-issue ever.

PS: Aestu's "Thread Winner" makes him the biggest loser?

PPS: I like how you fuckholes try to politicize this non-political issue.
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 Post subject: Father of the Year (@Eturnal)
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I never said he was a bad parent. I did say this particular example is bad parenting. I stick by that.

Do you believe the girl doesn't have entitlement issues?

Never said she's gonna kill herself. I pointed out how quick people who support this guy (Populists) would be to condemn him had it gone down differently.


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Eturnalshift wrote:
I think it's funny how the only people who are butt-hurt over this all are the arm-chair child psychologists who think they know this family (father and daughter) better than they know each other. Some people have been making huge assumptions and leaps with all their derpity derping about this issue - like the girl has entitlement issues, that the parents are bad parents and they made a bad kid, that she's going to kill herself, he should act better, etc. It's the biggest non-issue ever.


So what, one has to be a shrink to have opinions about other people?


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