Bucket Guild | FUBU BH Forums

Yeah, I'll help you out.

GIVE UP.

RETIRED.
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Mayonaise[/armory]
[armory loc="US,Bleeding Hollow"]Jerkonaise[/armory]

No I want to understand it Mayo. I won't give up until I understand it.

If Aestu is right, and $150,000-$170,000 a year is drastically underpaying a politician, and it is an injustice...I want to understand exactly why.

Do you agree with him? If so, can you explain to me exactly why it is too low a wage for a congressman citing quantifiable data?

I want someone else other than Aestu to defend his position. I'm okay with being wrong on this - but I need someone else to tell me I'm completely ridiculous for believing that $150,000-$170,000 per annum is a good salary.

A lot of those criteria aren't objectively definable because Congressmen don't have fixed obligations.

They don't meet with constituents or read bills on the clock, even though those are their responsibilities. Paid vacation doesn't mean reclining in the jacuzzi drinking a martini, it means more time to run around meeting with constituents.

You don't want to read anything besides Forbes despite being provided with many books and sources to give you a wider frame of reference. So I don't see why we should believe your queries are in good faith and not just a stubborn, childish rhetorical gesture.

Most obviously you could read the books about the Vietnam War or Cuban Missile Crisis or any number of books about American leaders as perceived by those near them - the autobiography of Henry Kissinger for example.

If you're really lazy, you could just call up your local representative and simply ask. Then call up a member of the opposing party, or a lobbyist, and ask them the same question.

But somehow I think you won't do any of that. Despite your beliefs being completely trounced by facts, you'll go on believing what you do and gripe when people call you stupid.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Not reading anything Aestu says anymore.

I would like someone, other than Aestu, who agrees with him and disagrees with me to explain to me why politicians making $150,000 to $170,000 a year are drastically under compensated for their services.

I would like someone who believes that making $170,000 a year is a bad salary to explain why they feel that way.

I'm not saying they are over compensated, mind you! I'm saying I think $170,000 a year is a good wage, and I don't feel they are under compensated.


Feel free to PM me or post in this thread. I'll be back to check on it. Hopefully someone other than Aestu will respond to explain why I am so very wrong in believing what I believe.

At least two other people already told you exactly why. You're going to have to find a better excuse than "it's just Aestu".

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Jushiro seems to agree with me...or is just as Naive.

The only person, other than Aestu, who has discussed this is Tuhl:



He is arguing that these Congressmen could make more as lawyers. Makes sense. But is Tuhl then implying that they are drastically underpaid for their services, OR that $170,000 per annum is not a good wage?



Not sure if this is a troll or not. If it isn't, he hasn't provided any other facts, just "Aestu makes sense"


So far it's Jushiro and I saying that $150,000 is a good salary and enough to be relatively wealthy.

We'll throw Necra, Aestu, and Tuhl in the other camp.

Am I missing any non-Aestu made arguments?

I think the problem is that a "fair" number of politicians are like the Kennedys, people who have family money so they can spend 10 years "making political contacts/learning the trade" while not making money at it(and party ing there ass's off and killing chicks and getting away with it >.>) then they spend the rest of there lives in some office or another or on a committee or writing books about the awesome laws they authored/helped pass. From the outside it seems like once you are in you are printing money(or favors).

It's like the Rooney family in football(steelers). I'm sure that if you go back to the beginning the first Rooney put in a lot of work/know how to help make his team an awesome brand. But now there are like 50 Rooneys with funny titles making GOOD money while doing nothing important because they have contacts that fell in there lap(or were bought with OPM).

Çhubathingy - Shaman - Royal Militia
Hoenhiem - Paladin - Royal Militia
Contact: Bnet= nurindun#1138 / twitter / twitch

Didn't read this but I'm going to explain it to you.

He's not saying $170,000 a year is a bad salary. He's saying that for the time and effort put into doing their jobs and getting there, the salary is bad.

Basically, it's like if you went to college and got all kinds of mad degrees and were working at Burger King for minimum wage. You could make so much more elsewhere.

Least that's what he's saying unless I misread. You just assumed he was flat out saying that it was a bad salary without the in comparison to what could be made.

He's also implying that the only income these people make is their paychecks.

As oppposed to kickbacks, bribes, investment opportunities and various other hookups.

Jushiro qualifies as naive and I doubt even he would deny that, not merely because of his personality. You're ignoring React's post.

The "good wage" question is vacuous and hypocritical. The bottom line is, it's less - a lot less - than the market could bear. Do you believe in the free market or don't you? Or only when it suits your biases?

Even throwing the free market argument out the window, it would still remain that they clearly aren't motivated by money or "overpaid" simply because they could make more. A LOT more.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You keep saying this. Do you have one iota of evidence or are you just being willfully ignorant?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I forgot that one bad apple spoils the bunch.

I'm not saying that they're all dirty by any means, but they're not all clean.

The fact is, bribery and graft has been very rare since the 1920s and the passage of the 17th Amendment, because of the sheer number of people smelling their shit all day.

Again, do you have evidence...? What is the basis for your belief.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

Perhaps Aestu is talking about the baseline ones. Maybe the bribes and kickbacks are one of possible ways they can make "a lot more money".