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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:27 pm  
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Eturnalshift wrote:
Let's not kid ourselves... no one cares what OWS thinks about anything or anyone.


So what faction do you see as the voice relevance in this world?


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Azelma wrote:
Who at Blizzard? And I thought you hated Kal and thought she was nothing more than a suckup...and what was your greatness? Did they testify that you were great at the game? At causing problems and arguing with Blue Posters?


Again, you're projecting.

Not everyone thinks as you do. Not everyone narrows their field of view to that which agrees with them.

A friend or ally has every reason to speak well of you, but it's when an enemy acknowledges your prowess that you have received objectively legitimate praise.

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Again you assume. I didn't realize this was the "travel" you referred to. In that case I have certainly traveled.

I've been to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairmount_Park many times as a kid. Sitting by the damn with my feet in the water...I've hiked up the mountains and found the old Native American statue that is hundreds of years old. I've been to the Valley Green Inn which was created in the early 1800s and still stands.

I've been to The Blackhand Gorge in Ohio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackhand_ ... e_Preserve and seen the Black Hand itself:

My parents actually live outside of the city in Ohio...acres and acres of land, and farms. It's so quiet...you can't help but have the most restful sleep of your life...and you can see the stars if you look to the west...away from Columbus' bright lights.

I've been hiking in the desert mountains outside of phoenix, seen cacti that were as tall as buildings.

I've been to the Dry Tortuga's off the coast of Key West http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_Tortugas and snorkeled outside Fort Jefferson, watching as barracudas and other various aquatic life weaved in and out of the choral heads.

I've been to Gettysberg and Valley Forge. Stood on fields where thousands of men perished for their ideals and countries. I've stood on the bow of a boat as we road through the Gulf of Mexico, the crash of the boat against the waves the only sound you can hear as miles of darkness stretch before you.


Okay.

So what?

Azelma wrote:
I think the problem is that there's only so much of ourselves and our experiences we can reveal through this forum. We "know" each other, and we "know" our personalities, but there's so much of us that we haven't experienced. You know a lot about my life...but you don't know it all. Just as I don't know everything about you or your life. Truthfully Aestu, some day I wouldn't mind sitting down and having a beer or glass of wine with you (you can have water as I don't think you drink)....I mean that. Because I think we'd learn more sitting face to face and talking than we ever could with all this forum noise and the trolling.


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I really did want your approval once, but in the process of you refusing to give it I learned something much more important. Approval doesn't matter - and seeking to get everyone to like you or respect you and think you're smart is a fool's errand.


You don't truly believe this; see sig.

Azelma wrote:
You're right in that I didn't want to accept that I could be seen as dumb, because it's something I despise and am afraid of. But we're all dumb.


See sig...

Azelma wrote:
We all know less than there is to know.


So what?

Azelma wrote:
You can think what you want about me, and clearly you think I'm completely ignorant. I admit, and have done so in the past, that there's a lot I don't know. I don't feel special or unique in any way. I realize I'm nothing but a grain of sand on a beach. I realize the work I do means nothing. The money I make is worthless and means nothing. None of us on this forum truly "means" anything. No human, even the most powerful ruler, truly "means" anything. We're all part of the fabric of something much larger...and we just strive for cosmic significance.


You do not truly believe this.

If you did, your priorities would be different.

Azelma wrote:
A man like Alexander the Great....larger than life? Nope. He has relevance in human history and did many things...but if the sun burnt out tomorrow, he would go back to meaning absolutely nothing.


Alexander was definitely larger than life.
What you're asking is whether he was larger than death.

It doesn't matter. The notion that life is a bigger challenge than death runs through my entire way of thinking.

So basically...bunch of nihilistic copouts.

Azelma wrote:
OH WELL WE CAN'T SEE OR KNOW OR BE EVERYTHING OR LIVE FOREVER SO ITS ALL SHIT ANYWAY...


...so you argue your superiority on the basis of a dead-end job and defend your ignorance because you've got yours...

Lazy fuck. Yes it does fucking matter. Why? Because that's life.

Life is all about figuring things out. If you don't want to do that...you are stupid...you are lazy...and your opinions count for shit.

You have what you do in this world because of other people willing to take swings at the big questions. It is precisely because you do not realize that I say you are uneducated and sheltered.


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The reason Aestu is right is because you will always try to validate your life through him. This is consistent throughout nearly every thread.


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I just put Azelma and Aestu on my foe list to see what threads look like.

Mayo, you'd be pleased.
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Azelma wrote:
Everything I wrote up there I believe.

mazeltov wrote:
The reason Aestu is right is because you will always try to validate your life through him. This is consistent throughout nearly every thread.


So what's the point in seeking validation?





IDK so why do you?


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So in which one of these books DID you read about me and azelma, aestu?


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Azelma wrote:
I'm going to continue to live my life...meet people, buy things, sell things, go places, read, learn things, forget things, do things, and not do things, and then I'll eventually die.


Why? None of that matters...so why?

Azelma wrote:
I won't change the universe. I'd like to change something in humanity, but I most likely won't ever do that either. Nor will any of you in all likelihood. I'm not saying "don't seek knowledge" or understanding, or "don't try to make a difference" But the truth is, no matter what you do...unless you invent something that really changes the world...or does something that drastically alters history, you're nothing.


If this is what you believe then why flaunt your small accomplishments?

People change the world every day they live.

A wave is made of countless drops. You can't say the drops are meaningless so long as they form a wave. If all the drops go one way, you have a wave; if they dither about aimlessly you have still water.

You don't have to be a Lenin or an Alexander to make your small difference. Littering, ethical consumer choices, talking to people, being decent, perhaps even mentoring a small child or showing compassion - all those things are you the little droplet being your part of the wave.

There is no argument to the contrary that is not fundamentally selfish.

We as individuals have choice in life. Our choices are constricted by the conditions of our lives - it is certainly not "free choice" - but the choices are there.

When people make the right choices...the world gets better..
When they make the wrong choices...the world gets worse...

Perhaps you believe, or want to, that those kinds of distinctions are arbitrary. That is an ignorant viewpoint, because anyone who knows anything about the world knows that the pendulum has swung back and forth over time.

This is where JFK's bit about "historic purpose" comes into play. Life sucks when everyone thinks as you do...and you owe what you have to the many in this world, and those who came before you, who don't think as you do. Hell, if people thought as you do, business as we know it wouldn't exist. How could you trust anyone to do anything if they were motivated entirely by petty self-interest?

Why pay taxes? Why not litter? Why not steal shit? Why join the revolution? Why not cheat on the wife or abandon the kids? Why not dodge the draft? I mean, doesn't really fucking matter in the end, we're all dead, whatever. Right?

I'm sure life would REALLY suck for you if EVERYONE ELSE thought that way.

Those are extreme examples but the rule holds fast on all levels of life as we know it. Things turn out well when people take the time and trouble to consider what is and is not important. They turn out badly when they don't.

But you don't care to think about all that. So instead you think about your petty selfish bullshit. Which brings us back to square one: you are stupid, you are selfish, you are petty, and you are ignorant.

In the final analysis, you don't add anything to the value of the world. I do, and the very fact you think this way is precisely what I meant when I said my parents, for all their and my flaws, wouldn't trade me for you in a million years.

Azelma wrote:
And even if you do all that, you may only be of value to human history, which again, means nothing.


So what, you think your petty selfish bullshit means anything?

It all seems to come back to that, doesn't it...you and your selfish petty little concerns...and so we say, "see sig": you say nothing means anything so you don't have to think things you don't want to think. That your views are a hopeless contradiction in the service of your own nonsense. A copout.

Let me ask you something. If you have fundamentally the same outlook on life as a cow - nothing matters, it's all shit, I'm going to sit here and stuff my face - then why should I respect you or your rights?


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Usdk wrote:
So in which one of these books DID you read about me and azelma, aestu?


What your face looks like, where you live, your face, or how you drink your beer, none of that arbitrary nonsense matters. You are who your experiences have made you to be, and that is manifest in what you carry forward.

And so you voice your opinions, your perceptions, your values and beliefs.

That is who you are.


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Azelma wrote:
I guess I used to when I would PM him to validate my intelligence, but I realized the futility. It's taken a while and I still have relapses.

Again, it's all a learning experience. I just feel awful I had to subject all the other posters here to it.


But wait! Why are you sorry? Does it matter?


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