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It honestly is quite retarded that we have all these environmental standards for production, but we have no penalties for businesses working around it by producing their goods elsewhere all the while paying people in other countries far less money than a US worker would receive, in more hazardous conditions with a higher impact on the environment.

Aestu is correct that this issue needs to be addressed.

What's the point of having environmental protection laws here if they'll be sidestepped elsewhere? The end result is the same.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

This question is predicated on the assumption that giving $10 million to Philips will effectively accomplish either one of those goals. I don't believe it does. It's an assumption that also disregards any cost/benefit analysis. How many jobs are we getting for that $10 million? Could we get more jobs, or a greater environmental impact, applying that $10 million in another sector? It also ignores that we'll still have cheaper bulbs on the market in competition with the $50 bulb. That $10 million dollar isn't bringing every bulb-making job back to America, and the environment will still be getting fucked up elsewhere. Tossing that $10 million to Philips did nothing except enrich Philips.



This arguement is predicated on the assumption that the government did something right in this case, which it didn't. This assumption, and the juvenile sarcasm that goes along with it, ignore that no one is arguing that there is no legitimate role for government. However, as I stated earlier, when government moves beyond those legitimate roles, as it did here, it is not a good thing.



I'm going to keep this one on file for the next time you're making one of your bread-and-circuses arguments about why one of us is a terrible person for suggesting that making bad decisions contributes to a person having a low standard of living.



The change in technology is going to come. The only thing the government can really do effectively is hinder that change with regulation. If anyone is demonstrating a "fear of change," it's anyone having the reaction you're having when confronted with the idea that perhaps the last 60-100 years of government overreach needs to come to an end.

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Isn't conservatism basically against change and keeping things the way they are? I hear republicans make fun of people who are "progressive," as if trying to innovate and improve the future is a bad thing and the people who desire these things are stupid. Are you kidding me?

I hear it mainly directed at stem cell research but they make blanket statements so I can't be sure. Either way, I think they're trolling hard. No body can actually be that dumb, can they?

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I think on the stem cell thing, conservatives just don't want any more reasons for people to get abortions. The religious see it as like "eating the dead to prolong their own lives" or some shit. Tenuous at best.

I think conservatives would tell you its more about having less government getting all up in your shit. I doubt anyone could honestly say "EVERYTHING IS PERFECT RIGHT NOW AND SHOULD NEVER CHANGE."

I know far too many people that do think exactly like that.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

That's the thing though, stem cell research can be done through more than embryonic stem cells (like *donated* umbilical stem cells), they blanket ban all of it. NO SENSE HAD.

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I'm not saying it makes sense.

I'm just saying thats what I THINK they're saying.

Yeah. I think the biggest issue blocking progress in our political arena tends to be that special interests, political parties, organizations and individual personnel are reluctant to ever concede any points. Everyone insists on being right. I have more respect for people who have enough humility to admit not having all the answers.

Simply engaging in a civilized dialogue without petty bickering weighing ideas on merit and examining things with results in mind rather than maintaining power would do no harm.

People place so much trust in the figures leading the government but the truth is, most of them are more concerned with power and reelection than results. It honestly saddens me.

Brawlsack

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I love you guys.

Just sayin.

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Life is not fair, and as Usd demonstrated even with this very issue, corps will try very hard to keep people in a state of dependency.

Yes you are a bad person if you expect people to fight an uphill battle against powerful, entrenched interests who define the rules of the game before it even starts...for no reason than to gratify your own Robinson Crusoe delusions.

You believe in the illusion of choice only because government gave you everything you have and you refuse to admit it - as a matter of fact, your rigidity on the topic suggests severe cognitive dissonance.






There's your 60-100 years ago.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

rofl @ that article

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I had a nuanced and intelligent response to that last post, but I stopped in to the (LOL) "marine corps is a buncha mercenaries" thread first, and after that it occurs to me that I've already more than made my point and anything else I add is just feeding chocolate and sugar to idiocy. Honestly, that really illuminates how pointless it is to try to help you see the light of day.

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Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

I think that's a misquote there, Aestu.

I'm wondering - can intentional misquotes on forums be considered libel? I wonder if Tuhl would know.

Not at all. I hard-countered and that's all he wrote.



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2. Not intended to defame the speaker by way of misrepresentation (vs satire)
3. This is America and no one ever gets convicted of libel

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.