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I'll bite.

Aestu, you titled the thread with an intentionally controversial title knowing full well people would bite, and it worked. I have no issue with this. My issue is that neither of your two links have anything to justify your claims.

The Stratfor link is much broader in scope than the US Marine Corps. It has huge reality shattering ramifications across the map. The fact that you mentioned only the US Marine Corps is evidence that you, just like everyone else, has an agenda to push and a bias.

The way you present yourself is laughable. You cannot present this as being factually accurate without specific examples to back up your claims. The very fact that you mentioned only the Marines in your title and had no mention of Stratfor or any other organizations and then immediately classified anyone who disagreed with you as 'stupid' proves you have no intention of engaging in any kind of debate or exchange of ideas, you just want to piss on the hornets nest and engage in your mental masturbation routine that has become so typical.


I don't favor censorship, I'm not against the exchange of ideas in any form.

The core issue is that this thread was never about an exchange of ideas, it was about being controversial and setting yourself up to be in a position to argue without any objective other than to satisfy your ego.

Ego. That's what you are dude, and it's not at all justified. The 'quasi dysfunctional child' that I am may or may not be just that, but I have the cajones to say my shit does stink and I'm not afraid of that. I'm okay with being wrong. I view being proven wrong as an opportunity to learn and not something to be ashamed of.

Sucks for you that this isn't the case where you're concerned.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

Then you didn't read them.



Irrelevant. If the position and bias are rational and valid then that is not a count against the speaker or his argument.



The cult of militarism is integral to the big picture. It is the wide base of the ideological pyramid. It is its center of gravity.




My objective is to change minds and get a point across.



No, you don't, because when someone makes a point in a forceful way or above your level you cry. If the issue were not your insecurity, debate would not evoke a heated response nor baseless accusations of ego or bullying etc.



You are proving me correct in that while you vaguely state that your "shit stinks", this is merely a shill: you refuse to consider specific ways in which your shit stinks and the ramifications it has on your thinking and actions.

Admitting your shit stinks means making peace with your imperfections. That is the very definition of being secure as opposed to insecure. One cannot make peace with one's imperfections so long as one refuses to identify them and integrate them into one's personality, something I've never declined to do. So your claims to the contrary are factually incorrect.

You're also provably wrong in that a few threads back, you made the rather self-serving observation that you "don't make a point of getting offended". I disagreed. Then you, um, made the choice to get offended. And here in this very thread you MADE THE CHOICE TO GET OFFENDED when you, personally, were not attacked, nor was the intent of the thread in any way hostile to you or anything important to you.

So clearly you do, in fact, have issues admitting your shit stinks, when, provably, it does.

Your accusations thereof towards me are clearly driven by emotional factors - projection and cognitive dissonance.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

My wife and I had some silver colored cars until last year... then we sold one and bought a black SUV. Today I was driving back from the store and I noticed a bit of pollen on the hood. We get a ton of pollen in the Spring but I never noticed it because my cars were so light. Paying a carwash can get expensive... and I don't want to wash it myself because that takes effort... so if I just rinse the car off with water will that do a sufficient job clearing away the pollen or will it just clump up in big yellow puddley spots?

Pretty much everything you said, but especially this. I read that entire article and the US Marine Corps is only mentioned twice. Certainly it has serious implications - but the fact that Aestu chose to only highlight the US Marine Corps is proof that he was trying to bait someone (Usdk and Eturnal are the first two that come to mind) into an argument.......which would inevitably end with Aestu calling someone stupid or a moron about 28,739,753 times, linking some article on wikipedia about a Greek Philosopher or something...saying "begging the question" "projection" or "red herring" several times...and the thread being permanently infected with AIDS.

Again prefacing it with "if you don't agree with this, you are stupid" handicaps any sort of positive discussion that could come from it.



I may be an idiot, but at least I can make a thread every now and then that fosters some decent discussion and not just a "hey let's fight so I can call anyone who disagrees with me stupid" thread.



Also Eturnal, I enjoyed your story and would like to hear more.



Can you find me a philosophy that says that insulting people is an effective way to get them to change their views and get a point across?

I was talking to Jubber earlier and I brought up the idea of getting some of the FUBU tards together at my place so you could all drink my beer, eat my food, play some horse shoes, billiards or make love next to the firepit. (Jubber reserved the love making already... but he said he wasn't going to bring a lady friend so I'm guessing he's doing to use Fanta's back side.)

Would you come, Battle? I'm thinking about doing it in the summer so the nights aren't too cold.

I'd have a room for USA since he lives so far away... and there's plenty of floor space if anyone gets too drunk to drive.

We don't live in a monopolar universe. I make a point of being negative because I truly believe that negativity is grossly undervalued in today's world. There is no up without down and there is no creation without destruction.

If one considers only half a duality, it necessarily contorts one's world view. You're almost literally seeing the world through a polarized lens.



There's no point in preaching to the choir, although Zaryi gets justifiably pissed just how much I do it.

If you really want to change the landscape, you can't just plow the sand. You need to level hills and dynamite mountains.

You're also missing a very important point which is that, like I said, the cult of militarism is the center of gravity. Any action taken that does not have the ultimate purpose of assaulting that center of gravity is vain and impotent.

I can prove this. Remember the Defense Authorization Act controversy? The entire reason they chose to link the power of the military to the long-term survival of the corporate state is because the military has that spiritual power. If that vacillates, so does the basis for the corporate state's survival in the long term.

Or do you believe my reasoning is in some way flawed?

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You are speaking irrelevance and grasping for social support because you feel your deepest convictions under assault and you are too cowardly to get out from under your desk.

If this were not so, you would either engage the point or stop talking. The proof being that your current tactic has no effective result but catharsis by trying to block the source of the pain. It's a mantra of sorts.

And in doing so you validate my point: that the cult of militarism is the center of gravity for the corporate state, and assaulting it, brings the entire ideological structure down. When that happens, all bets as we know it are off and real change is possible.

Change has happened before and it can and will happen again. Glaciers move slowly, but if they didn't move, we'd live in a very different world.

Aestu of Bleeding Hollow...

Nihilism is a copout.

You know, I really would like to meet up with some FUBU bros for dick slapping purposes. Being that Chicago isn't exactly a hop skip and jump away from where you all live it's a bit of a barrier.

I'd have to be able to chill with one of you for a few days to make it worth getting a flight. Don't worry, I'd put out.

Except it's not so much that I'm offended, it's that it is very tiresome to encounter these threads not for the reason that I am incapable of engaging in a civilized dialogue in which my ideas are challenged so much as it is just predictable and unproductive.

If you want to have a discussion, we can have one. I'd advise you to restructure your original post or maybe create a new thread entirely without the obvious 'chip on the shoulder.'


Not many people disagree that the military needs reforms and that the status quo is unacceptable. I just don't buy into your conspiracy that all Marines are one and the same for the simple fact that they belong to the same organization. This would be like saying all of the Crusaders are one and the same or all of the Storm Troopers are one and the same.

It's empirical fact that yes, Aestu, they do question their orders. They do wonder if they are on the right side of history. In a war zone, however, you cannot continually question your orders or you're gonna end up a crater and a stain on a dusty dirt road.

You tend to oversimplify issues to the extreme, and then you do the whole 'we can't know everything that means we know nothing' routine. It's old. If you want to have a debate, l2p.

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

I'm totally down as long as there's enough notice and it's on a weekend that I don't work. If I get this new exterior position it's possible I'll be working some weekends, but we can keep in touch and plan it out accordingly.

Isn't having our dick slapping fireside circlejerk on a warm summer night defeating the purpose of the ensuing cuddling?

Brawlsack

Taking an extended hiatus from gaming

This thread...it amuses me.

You know, looking back, I'm not sure how I had time to get anything done when I was in the military, what with all the baby-raping I was apparently doing behind my own back. I must have been too messed up to remember anything because I was spending all my fat stacks of mercenary cash on drugs and booze before stumbling back to my quarters, burning villages along the way.

You guys better watch out when we get together, I'm a danger sociopath, LOLOLOLOLOL.

Your Pal,
Jubber

AKA "The Gun"
AKA "ROFeraL"

World Renowned Mexican Forklift Artiste

lol just when I think it's not possible for me to love you any more, you go and top yourself.

I thought they were hotdogs. =[



i c wut u did thar

Schweeet. I'm going to say MID JULY FOR DRINK MY BEER NIGHT! What weekend? Who the fuck knows. I'd even be so flexible to let you guys pick.

Like all our other HURHUR LET'S HANG OUT plans, this will probably never happen... but not because of me. I'll be here whatever night we settle on.

@ Necra - What'd you see?