Interesting Reading: Why US Marines Are Traitorous Mercs

Yuratuhl · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:04 pm

That wasn't the Marines though, that was real branches of the armed forces.

Battletard · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:15 pm

I think the war on terror can be solved by giving terrorists tax payer funded penis enlargement surgery cuz they r just jelly of our huge dicks n that is y they wan 2 hurt our freedomz

Dvergar · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:03 pm

Yuratuhl wrote:

That wasn't the Marines though, that was real branches of the armed forces.

We're talking WWII, I'd rather fight Germans than Japanese.

Aestu · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:34 pm

Battletard wrote:

Except it's not so much that I'm offended, it's that it is very tiresome to encounter these threads not for the reason that I am incapable of engaging in a civilized dialogue in which my ideas are challenged so much as it is just predictable and unproductive.

If you want to have a discussion, we can have one. I'd advise you to restructure your original post or maybe create a new thread entirely without the obvious 'chip on the shoulder.'

You threw the first turd. Not me. You.

When you altered your tone, I engaged you appropriately.

Battletard wrote:

Not many people disagree that the military needs reforms and that the status quo is unacceptable. I just don't buy into your conspiracy that all Marines are one and the same for the simple fact that they belong to the same organization. This would be like saying all of the Crusaders are one and the same or all of the Storm Troopers are one and the same.

If they belong to the same organization then they are by definition the same in that respect.

Have the Marines attempted to stop this behavior? Bring these people to justice? Or have they institutionalized it?

To belong to a group is to take the good with the bad. You don't get to take pride in what that group means then dither and reject the bad points.

Would you be making this argument if we were talking about tobacco companies? The KKK? he Republican Guard? Al Qaeda?

So why make it with regards to the Marines? Perhaps you're not looking at the issue impartially. Perhaps you are being manipulated and fail to realize it.

Battletard wrote:

It's empirical fact that yes, Aestu, they do question their orders. They do wonder if they are on the right side of history. In a war zone, however, you cannot continually question your orders or you're gonna end up a crater and a stain on a dusty dirt road.

Do you have proof?

Battletard wrote:

You tend to oversimplify issues to the extreme, and then you do the whole 'we can't know everything that means we know nothing' routine. It's old. If you want to have a debate, l2p.

It's a perfectly valid response when applicable. That is the "l2p". Don't make logical fallacies such as argumentum ad ignorantiam. Or at least be more gracious when it is pointed out.

That you are defending crying foul when an error in your logic is pointed out corroborates my point which is that really your complaints boil down to sore losing.

Aestu · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:38 pm

Yuratuhl wrote:

That wasn't the Marines though, that was real branches of the armed forces.

Actually, it wasn't the armed forces that won WWII.
It was 10 million civilians who put on uniforms and picked up guns.

The point being, it really is the cult of militarism that seeks to distort the truth for their own selfish ends. The Marines and other military trash claim they are somehow more patriotic than other Americans for enriching themselves and fighting wars that don't need to be fought. In reality, the truth is the opposite: the very fact they seek to distort the truth and disparage their fellow citizens in such a way proves they are not patriotic at all.

The evidence is, American civilians will drop what they are doing and show up to fight the war if they believe the cause is just.

Tehra · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:44 pm

Aestu wrote:

You threw the first turd. Not me. You.

When you altered your tone, I engaged you appropriately.

Meowth wrote:

Aestu wrote:

Anyone who reads that then goes on believing that the Marines are good Americans and not traitors and mercenaries who hold their country hostage for their own selfish gain is plain stupid.

Aestu wrote:

One can hear the beating of war drums in the distance.

Yes, one can. Dear Google, cute first thread choice.

Fantastique · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:01 pm

Eturnalshift wrote:

Schweeet. I'm going to say MID JULY FOR DRINK MY BEER NIGHT! What weekend? Who the fuck knows. I'd even be so flexible to let you guys pick.

Like all our other HURHUR LET'S HANG OUT plans, this will probably never happen... but not because of me. I'll be here whatever night we settle on.

What do you mean this will never happen, we've tried like twice and succeeded once. I call that glass half full.

QUIT BEING A DEBBIE DOWNER MAN

Battletard · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:17 pm

Aestu wrote:

Battletard wrote:

Except it's not so much that I'm offended, it's that it is very tiresome to encounter these threads not for the reason that I am incapable of engaging in a civilized dialogue in which my ideas are challenged so much as it is just predictable and unproductive.

If you want to have a discussion, we can have one. I'd advise you to restructure your original post or maybe create a new thread entirely without the obvious 'chip on the shoulder.'

You threw the first turd. Not me. You.

Pretty much what Tehra said. There's a difference between being offended (which I'm not, honestly) and being weary of pouring any effort into formulating any kind of coherent argument with you. The second a worthy point is raised, you change tactics and engage in personal attacks in an attempt to put someone on the defensive for unrelated issues. We all see right through it at this point.

Usdk · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:41 pm

ww2 was pretty brutal for the marine corps tuhl. Island hopping through messy jungles full of prepared positions against religiously zealous nutjobs ain't my idea of an easy war to fight.

although as far as I'm concerned that's the only job the marines have done before or since that the army couldn't have done better. the marine corps has been underfunded staffed and utilized (imo) to continue fielding it as its own fighting force is foolish, and they should have been folded into the army long ago.

Aestu · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:42 pm

Battletard wrote:

Pretty much what Tehra said. There's a difference between being offended (which I'm not, honestly) and being weary of pouring any effort into formulating any kind of coherent argument with you. The second a worthy point is raised, you change tactics and engage in personal attacks in an attempt to put someone on the defensive for unrelated issues. We all see right through it at this point.

The proof this is bullshit is that you did it anyway.

If what you said was true you would not have made a point of posting at all, much less then try to defend your doing so.

After you got done throwing turds and sat down and made a coherent argument, I defeated it with facts and logic. Then you went back to crying.

Aestu · **Posted:** Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:50 pm

Usdk wrote:

ww2 was pretty brutal for the marine corps tuhl. Island hopping through messy jungles full of prepared positions against religiously zealous nutjobs ain't my idea of an easy war to fight.

WW2 fucking sucked for everyone. Do you think that the Japanese were having a beach party?

The Marines were, and are, no less crazy and zealous. Try arguing with a Marine about the morality of his affiliation and what they do.

By contrast, go read books like Long the Imperial Way or Japan At War that describe the war from the Japanese point of view. The whole fanatic bit was a carefully cultivated illusion. Most of the Japs sent to fight were kids scared shitless, just like everyone else who actually fights a real war and not this peacetime hero bullcrap.

And, unlike the Marines, the Japanese conscripts didn't make the choice to join the straitjacket outfit.

Usdk wrote:

although as far as I'm concerned that's the only job the marines have done before or since that the army couldn't have done better. the marine corps has been underfunded staffed and utilized (imo) to continue fielding it as its own fighting force is foolish, and they should have been folded into the army long ago.

But then where would we put our social refuse?

Try telling those people we're disbanding the Marines. See how they react. Try reasoning with them. Provide incontrovertible proof that it is in the nation's best interest.

Their motivations are clear.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:02 am

Reality Distortion Field.

Only difference is that you have little/no charisma, so very rarely (if ever) can your warped perception of actual events change anyone else's viewpoint.

You threw the first turd, as Synth accurately pointed out. No amount of arguing and enigmatic "logic" or warped perception of events can change that.

Battletard only posted to point out that the OP was a clear attempt to start a shit storm and create a thread that so thoroughly dripped of your inherent biases as to be laughable. You just want a fight - it's the only thing you ever want. Because yes, you're great at arguing on the internet, finding random links, and changing the subject, selectively ignoring parts of posts that are inconvenient to your perceptions, and moving on. You like fighting because you feel like you always "win" - and it makes you feel important.

The facts will never change - you are impossible to discuss anything with because you insist on insulting others, twisting words, projecting, and basically believing whatever you want to believe about everyone else, no matter how often facts and real events contradict your prejudices.

You may have a valid point somewhere in this thread, but no one here on FUBU can be bothered to truly engage you because of your insufferable ego and absurd hostility. Can you not see this?

Aestu · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:07 am

Azelma wrote:

Reality Distortion Field.

Only difference is that you have little/no charisma, so very rarely (if ever) can your warped perception of actual events change anyone else's viewpoint.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't real.

If I have no charisma, isn't it logical to conclude that something else is generating the distortion field?
Have you tried using a tachyon detection grid?

Azelma wrote:

You threw the first turd, as Synth accurately pointed out. No amount of arguing and enigmatic "logic" or warped perception of events can change that.

Battletard only posted to point out that the OP was a clear attempt to start a shit storm and create a thread that so thoroughly dripped of your inherent biases as to be laughable. You just want a fight - it's the only thing you ever want. Because yes, you're great at arguing on the internet, finding random links, and changing the subject, selectively ignoring parts of posts that are inconvenient to your perceptions, and moving on. You like fighting because you feel like you always "win" - and it makes you feel important.

If this were true you would not be here now.

You and React share the common agenda of being determined in ignorance and bitter towards anyone and anything that tries to change this or cast it in a negative light.

In this very thread when React was reasoned with and debunked he went back to crying.

Azelma wrote:

The facts will never change - you are impossible to discuss anything with because you insist on insulting others, twisting words, projecting, and basically believing whatever you want to believe about everyone else, no matter how often facts and real events contradict your prejudices.

What prejudices are those?

What do I "believe because I want to?"

Azelma wrote:

You may have a valid point somewhere in this thread, but no one here on FUBU can be bothered to truly engage you because of your insufferable ego and absurd hostility. Can you not see this?

You're engaging me right now. Argument null and void.

Zaryi · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:18 am

Azelma, why do you keep engaging? Save yourself the headache.

Also A+ for Arrested Development reference.

Azelma · **Posted:** Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:23 am

Zaryi wrote:

Azelma, why do you keep engaging? Save yourself the headache.

I have a well documented problem of engaging Aestu when I shouldn't. Everyone else knows he's hopeless. I'm working with Tehra on improving in this regard.

I will say, Aestu, I didn't engage regarding your "argument"/statement that "US Marines Are Traitorous Mercs."

I just wanted to inform you that you're an insufferable git.

Bucket Guild | FUBU BH Forums

Interesting Reading: Why US Marines Are Traitorous Mercs

Who is online