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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:57 am  
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She went in front of Congress or some other large body to ask the government/state to pay for contraception while Rush Limbaugh was making jokes at her every day and how it is prostitution to get paid to have sex and wants to see the sex tapes from it.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:58 am  
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She went in front of Congress or some other large body to ask the government/state to pay for contraception while Rush Limbaugh was making jokes at her every day and how it is prostitution to get paid to have sex and wants to see the sex tapes from it.


I heard somewhere that Limbaugh is hemorrhaging advertisers. Can't say I'm super surprised.


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http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz- ... l-sponsors

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Really looking forward to some sort of Limbaugh charity drive where instead of asking you for money, he demands your money and calls up random people, asks them why they haven't donated to his pill addiction, and then accosts them for being godless socialist whoremongers on live air.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
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I'm turned on his show as soon as I saw that...he seems to be doing OK. He still has plenty of sponsors, apparently. There weren't even any "filler" PSA ads.

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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
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People stopped taking Rush seriously after he bitterly assaulted the reputations of public figures and made all sorts of hateful remarks about drug users and welfare recipients...then begged for mercy when it was revealed that he had previously been on welfare for an extended period and was addicted to Vicodin even as he made such hateful remarks.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
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It shows you how truly fucked up the Republican Party is that their presidential candidates are too scared to come out and slam Rush Limbaugh for being a hateful bigot.

The best they can do is some soft language like "oh I would have worded it differently"


politicians make me sick.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
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Azelma wrote:
It shows you how truly fucked up the Republican Party is that their presidential candidates are too scared to come out and slam Rush Limbaugh for being a hateful bigot.

The best they can do is some soft language like "oh I would have worded it differently"

politicians make me sick.


And here I will prove to you that my opinions are the most correct and objective of anyone's on this forum and probably anyone you will ever meet in your life.

EDIT: No, you won't.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:14 pm  
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But since the birth control meds are being prescibed off-label for the conditions she claims they are being used to treat, there is really a very simple answer: repackage the active ingredients under a new label and market them specifically, exclusively, to treat the gynecological conditions in question. Problem solved!



They do this with a ton of drugs. The problem with this is that a new patent means that they can charge ridiculous prices for them and/or insurance won't cover them. For example, pretty much everyone has heard of Wellbutrin. It's a pretty cheap drug if you buy the generic, in comparison to many anyway. My generic costs about $20 a month with insurance. However, if you were to use it to quit smoking (which was once an off-label use), it's called Zyban. Zyban is loads more expensive than Wellbutrin and many insurance companies won't cover it at all.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:23 pm  
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Azelma wrote:
It shows you how truly fucked up the Republican Party is that their presidential candidates are too scared to come out and slam Rush Limbaugh for being a hateful bigot.

The best they can do is some soft language like "oh I would have worded it differently"

politicians make me sick.


And here I will prove to you that my opinions are the most correct and objective of anyone's on this forum and probably anyone you will ever meet in your life.

I agree with them.

Offensive speech is the ultimate test of our democratic freedoms. There is a fine, but definite, line, between making remarks which, although disgusting and tasteless, do no one any harm...and making remarks which devalue people as human beings or constitute an implied called to violence - e.g., racist epithets against blacks or Jews or other groups that have suffered violence and discrimination under such auspices in the past, or which call into question the fundamentals of our way of life (e.g, civil liberties and supremacy of the civilian over the military).

(And no, hurt feelings and wounded sensibilities don't count, sorry.)

Rush, in my mind, did not cross that line.

Was what he said offensive? Yes. Tasteless? Definitely. Irrelevant? Mostly, yes.

But calling someone a "whore" or a "prostitute" is not forbidden nor should it be. It is neither a call to violence nor a defamation of other people's humanity or our way of life. It is merely an assault on their moral character and good name - such an assault that, although tasteless, offensive, and almost invariably self-destructive, everyone has the right to make.

If we are to consider moral character a real and falsifiable thing - that individuals can be moral or they can not be moral - then we must agree that other individuals must have the freedom to voice their estimate of others' moral character.

Rush's remarks, while offensive and not productive, aren't entirely incorrect. The fact is, this woman is using sexuality, her gender identity, for political leverage. His metaphor may be gross and witless, but it is in a small sense correct: if what you are selling, for personal material gain, is sex, you are a prostitute. Whether you're selling that sex in the form of the sex act or imagery/seduction, doesn't change the reality of what one brings to the table.

The test of freedom of speech is not how it is maintained against mainstream society but how it is maintained against outliers. I may think that Rush is a fat, slovenly, stupid, hypocritical, ignorant, demogogical, hate-spewing despicable man, but I also believe that so long as he does not tread over that fine line I have laid down, he is entitled as everyone else to be offensive.

Short of prosecuting him, to stigmatize him or punish him because those who were his allies, supporters, or simply indifferent the day before don't like something he said today, calls into question our morality - our capacity to tolerate ideas and people which we simply do not like.

And this is important to us, too. I despise Rush and would lol hard if he choked on his own lard. But I do not believe that he should be subject to a lynch mob in the service of someone else's political agenda. Doing so would only distract us from the real issues and problems in this country. Ironically enough this is the very nature of the demagoguery that Rush himself has practiced.

But it is a far less dangerous thing for a man to undertake immoral acts than for a society to validate them by undertaking them as a collective.

Rush should be let off the hook.

And that's why my opinions are always right.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:26 pm  
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Kayllaira wrote:
They do this with a ton of drugs. The problem with this is that a new patent means that they can charge ridiculous prices for them and/or insurance won't cover them. For example, pretty much everyone has heard of Wellbutrin. It's a pretty cheap drug if you buy the generic, in comparison to many anyway. My generic costs about $20 a month with insurance. However, if you were to use it to quit smoking (which was once an off-label use), it's called Zyban. Zyban is loads more expensive than Wellbutrin and many insurance companies won't cover it at all.


Would not apply in this instance because birth control meds are decades old and $1000 is a far cry off.

But of course - this isn't really a pharmaceutical issue at all. It's a graft issue.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:26 am  
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$1000 is absolutely an exaggeration. An IUD may be a few hundred, but you only have to get it put in once and it lasts years.

And it would apply because when a new drug is put on the market, even if it is a rename of an older drug, it is patented for 20 years. The patent has to run out before a generic can be made. Doctors can prescribe other drugs for the use, but this generally requires a diagnosis, which is submitted to the insurance company and can affect them in other ways. For example, being "diagnosed" with a mental illness can keep you from certain jobs, so a patient would be highly unlikely to accept such a diagnosis for a smoking cessation medication.


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 Post subject: Re: A friend sent me this...I'm still laughing.
PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:31 am  
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But the IUD is contraception. The relevant comparison isn't contraceptive methods, it's other gyno-pharmaceuticals.

If we are to accept the issue is licensing etc then that is how the issue should be broached, some change to pharmaceutical patent/branding law, which would benefit a far wider audience than just female students at religious universities suffering from cervical warts.

But that wasn't what the speaker asked for - cold hard cash - because its not the issue at all.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 12:45 am  
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I'm not disagreeing with you or anyone else, just saying that putting a new name on a drug isn't an answer right now because it gives them license to jack up prices even further. It'd be great if that could be an option, but I really doubt pharmaceutical companies will let that happen any time soon, if at all.


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